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  #1947291 26-Jan-2018 18:57
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There is a requirement mattwnz. Rocket Lab need's FAA licencing and go ahead due to being a US company. The Humanity Star had to be given the OK by the US FAA and the NZ govt.

 

People hysterically claiming company A could just send up something bigger or brighter - um, how? Who are they going to get to do that for them? Not going to happen on any rocket remotely US due to aforementioned.

 

Some people just don't understand this, much like that idiot photographer. It's not going to be visible at all in New Zealand until the 20th of February. It orbits the earth every 90 minutes. It would be visible for MERE MINUTES.

 

Also don't understand why people keep saying 3 months, the website quite clearly says it will orbit for 9 months.


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  #1947292 26-Jan-2018 19:03
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bmt:

 

There is a requirement mattwnz. Rocket Lab need's FAA licencing and go ahead due to being a US company. The Humanity Star had to be given the OK by the US FAA and the NZ govt.

 

 

 

 

Only for US companies though. Not for example Chinese or European rockets etc.


 
 
 
 


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  #1947346 26-Jan-2018 21:47
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The Chinese are a law unto themselves regarding space - they tested a missile on their own satellite and caused a hell of a lot more space debris than the 9 month old humanity star.

 

This event was the largest recorded creation of space debris in history with more than 2,000 pieces of trackable size (golf ball size and larger) officially cataloged in the immediate aftermath, and an estimated 150,000 debris particles.[24][25]As of October 2016, a total of 3,438 pieces of debris had been detected, with 571 decayed and 2,867 still in orbit nine years after the incident.

 

With regards to "European rockets", please name a "European rocket" that would willingly try, let alone be allowed to, launch space debris.


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  #1947379 26-Jan-2018 23:28
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"humanity star" is a frickin stretch of a name at the best of times.

 

 

 

I'm actually moving out to the middle of nowhere soon to avoid crap like this (light pollution)...

 

Be nice not to have it already put in the sky by some dick that thought it was a good PR move, because that's all it is.

 

 

 

Space station = science

 

humanity bs = PR bs.


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  #1947461 27-Jan-2018 10:45
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blakamin:

 

"humanity star" is a frickin stretch of a name at the best of times.

 

 

 

I'm actually moving out to the middle of nowhere soon to avoid crap like this (light pollution)...

 

Be nice not to have it already put in the sky by some dick that thought it was a good PR move, because that's all it is.

 

 

 

Space station = science

 

humanity bs = PR bs.

 

 

 

 

Are you an Aussie or a Kiwi in Aussie?




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  #1947466 27-Jan-2018 10:52
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clevedon:

 

blakamin:

 

"humanity star" is a frickin stretch of a name at the best of times.

 

 

 

I'm actually moving out to the middle of nowhere soon to avoid crap like this (light pollution)...

 

Be nice not to have it already put in the sky by some dick that thought it was a good PR move, because that's all it is.

 

 

 

Space station = science

 

humanity bs = PR bs.

 

 

 

 

Are you an Aussie or a Kiwi in Aussie?

 

 

I dont agree with @blakamin on this topic, but how is your post relevant? 


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  #1947470 27-Jan-2018 10:59
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tdgeek:

 

clevedon:

 

blakamin:

 

"humanity star" is a frickin stretch of a name at the best of times.

 

 

 

I'm actually moving out to the middle of nowhere soon to avoid crap like this (light pollution)...

 

Be nice not to have it already put in the sky by some dick that thought it was a good PR move, because that's all it is.

 

 

 

Space station = science

 

humanity bs = PR bs.

 

 

 

 

Are you an Aussie or a Kiwi in Aussie?

 

 

I dont agree with @blakamin on this topic, but how is your post relevant? 

 

 

 

 

I'm just interested to know the perspective of the poster that's all.

 

Anyway who made you Sheriff?


 
 
 
 




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  #1947473 27-Jan-2018 11:07
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clevedon:

 

tdgeek:

 

clevedon:

 

blakamin:

 

"humanity star" is a frickin stretch of a name at the best of times.

 

 

 

I'm actually moving out to the middle of nowhere soon to avoid crap like this (light pollution)...

 

Be nice not to have it already put in the sky by some dick that thought it was a good PR move, because that's all it is.

 

 

 

Space station = science

 

humanity bs = PR bs.

 

 

 

 

Are you an Aussie or a Kiwi in Aussie?

 

 

I dont agree with @blakamin on this topic, but how is your post relevant? 

 

 

 

 

I'm just interested to know the perspective of the poster that's all.

 

Anyway who made you Sheriff?

 

 

Seems discriminatory to me. As in anti Oz. 


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  #1947477 27-Jan-2018 11:13
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tdgeek:

 

clevedon:

 

tdgeek:

 

clevedon:

 

blakamin:

 

"humanity star" is a frickin stretch of a name at the best of times.

 

 

 

I'm actually moving out to the middle of nowhere soon to avoid crap like this (light pollution)...

 

Be nice not to have it already put in the sky by some dick that thought it was a good PR move, because that's all it is.

 

 

 

Space station = science

 

humanity bs = PR bs.

 

 

 

 

Are you an Aussie or a Kiwi in Aussie?

 

 

I dont agree with @blakamin on this topic, but how is your post relevant? 

 

 

 

 

I'm just interested to know the perspective of the poster that's all.

 

Anyway who made you Sheriff?

 

 

Seems discriminatory to me. As in anti Oz. 

 

 

 

 

Oh, okay then.




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  #1947478 27-Jan-2018 11:16
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IIRC @Blakamin was in NZ, then went to Adelaide. Unsure if he was an Aussie here and went back, or a Kiwi here and went there.


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  #1947522 27-Jan-2018 13:29
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muppet:

 

Why do they need a test object? This doesn't say anything about it, just a load of hot air.

 

Didn't they also launch 3 other proper satellites with the launch?

 

 

 

If it's truely to gather some sort of test data as well, then I have a different opinion of it.  That's fine, there's nothing wrong with learning.

 

This doesn't seem to be that.

 

 

If you're testing a launch system, then you really need to actually launch *something*; I gather that the typical "something" is a lump of concrete as ballast. I assume that no-one was willing to risk their multi-thousand dollar satellite on top of a rocket named "Still Testing", so RocketLab decided to put their own shiny PR-generation payload into space instead of a lump of concrete.

 

 


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  #1947545 27-Jan-2018 14:49
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Back on topic, I'm in two minds about this.

 

On one hand, I think they are to be commended for their technology, and if it gets kids interested in space then it's a very cool thing. Of itself, their bright little beacon isn't a particularly terrible thing.

 

On the other hand, if this can be done cheaply, I am dreading to think what the scourge of our society might do with it. By which I mean the marketers. I won't be happy if five-to-ten years from I look up at the night Sky and see a procession of bright little coloured "Eat McDonalds", "Drink Coke", "Play Lotto" and "Smoke Marlboro" messages sailing past.


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  #1947560 27-Jan-2018 15:13
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Is this any worse for astrophotography than the multitude of satellites+1?


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  #1947569 27-Jan-2018 15:49
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JimmyH:

 

On the other hand, if this can be done cheaply, I am dreading to think what the scourge of our society might do with it. By which I mean the marketers. I won't be happy if five-to-ten years from I look up at the night Sky and see a procession of bright little coloured "Eat McDonalds", "Drink Coke", "Play Lotto" and "Smoke Marlboro" messages sailing past.

 

 

It's infeasible to do anything like this.

 

Firstly objects cannot orbit undocked in parallel there orbits would have to intersect(and if they did they would have to be on different orbits with different timing or they would crash into one another) or be docked.

 

Secondly the further away from terra firma you get the larger the object needs to be in order to have any sort of message you would be looking at a structure(because they have to be docked) in the 100-1000KM+ large.





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  #1947583 27-Jan-2018 16:20
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I'm in the for it camp.

 

If you need to launch something, may as well be something interesting and temporary - better still, an object that will get everyone talking about it - trifecta!!!

 

I don't think it meets the definition of space junk because it is going to put itself in the space litter bin in 9 months time. Space junk is a 5 tonne satellite that is careening out of control for the next 1000 years, or the 10,000 shards of a satellite that some d!ck (both the USA and China did this) hit with a missile to prove they could and that is at risk of fragging productive satellites for the next 100 years.

 

I think it is good PR for a company courting customers. If you were looking for someone to launch your satellite and there is a cheeky company that could launch satellites so cheaply, they put big disco-balls into orbit for the hell of it, that would draw your attention.


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