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Topic # 228924 30-Jan-2018 15:49
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I just read this article in NZ Herald

 

Article HERE

 

 

 

It frustrates me that women want female only gyms and other businesses but as soon as there is a male only barber its sexist. I am all for equality but I don't see what the problem is with having businesses and services that cater to a specific sex

 

 

 

When will people stop being PC mad! Does that mean I can go into a Chinese restaurant and demand they make me Italian food and if they don't they are being racist? 


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  Reply # 1948685 30-Jan-2018 15:57
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i feel your pain. nothing to add. 





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  Reply # 1948690 30-Jan-2018 16:03
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I guess that means he won't employ any female hair dressers.
Is that against employment law?

As for customer discrimation seen where night clubs on ladies night give females cheaper drinks. Not sure if still happens but seems wrong to me.

Plenty hair dressers around , if I was turned down because I didn't match their ideal customer description would just take my money else where, not run off to media.

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  Reply # 1948696 30-Jan-2018 16:06
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This is nothing compared to what's going on overseas. 

 

Full debate:

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1948701 30-Jan-2018 16:11
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where is Susan Devoy when you need her?


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rugrat: I guess that means he won't employ any female hair dressers.
Is that against employment law?

As for customer discrimation seen where night clubs on ladies night give females cheaper drinks. Not sure if still happens but seems wrong to me.

Plenty hair dressers around , if I was turned down because I didn't match their ideal customer description would just take my money else where, not run off to media.

 

No he said in the article that he would hire women.

 

He's taking the same tack as the women only gyms, saying he wants a place when men can talk freely.  Interesting argument, but unsure if it will hold up if someone challenged it.

 

 





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  Reply # 1948711 30-Jan-2018 16:32
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rugrat: I guess that means he won't employ any female hair dressers.
Is that against employment law?

As for customer discrimation seen where night clubs on ladies night give females cheaper drinks. Not sure if still happens but seems wrong to me.

Plenty hair dressers around , if I was turned down because I didn't match their ideal customer description would just take my money else where, not run off to media.

 

No he said in the article that he would hire women.

 

He's taking the same tack as the women only gyms, saying he wants a place when men can talk freely.  Interesting argument, but unsure if it will hold up if someone challenged it.

 

 

 

 

Be interesting to see how it all plays out, if it does come back as a "no you can't do that" then I would expect the same rule to apply the other way around.


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  Reply # 1948718 30-Jan-2018 16:45
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When will people stop being PC mad! Does that mean I can go into a Chinese restaurant and demand they make me Italian food and if they don't they are being racist? 

 

 

There's a strawman in that question which therefore doesn't really deserve an answer, but I'll do it anyway.

 

The answer is no. Easy.

 

Women want female only gyms because some men who frequent gyms are dirty perving scumbags, others are fat-shaming morons.  I can understand why some women prefer women-only gyms.  A better solution in my opinion would be for gyms to weed out scumbags, and turf them out.  But I acknowledge that would be hard to police and enforce - unless it was extreme.

 

I'm not sure why men want men-only hairdressers.  Is there a valid reason other than "just because"?  Some contrived mansplanation perhaps?


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  Reply # 1948719 30-Jan-2018 16:46
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nathan:

where is Susan Devoy when you need her?



What's a Race Relations Commissioner got to do with this? Or does she cut hair in her spare time? ;-)




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  Reply # 1948721 30-Jan-2018 16:47
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davidcole:


rugrat: I guess that means he won't employ any female hair dressers.
Is that against employment law?

As for customer discrimation seen where night clubs on ladies night give females cheaper drinks. Not sure if still happens but seems wrong to me.

Plenty hair dressers around , if I was turned down because I didn't match their ideal customer description would just take my money else where, not run off to media.


No he said in the article that he would hire women.


He's taking the same tack as the women only gyms, saying he wants a place when men can talk freely.  Interesting argument, but unsure if it will hold up if someone challenged it.


 



Be interesting to see how it all plays out, if it does come back as a "no you can't do that" then I would expect the same rule to apply the other way around.



To be honest so would I. Unless the gyms are doing it for “safety” as opposed to comfort.




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  Reply # 1948724 30-Jan-2018 17:01
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Sam91:

 

This is nothing compared to what's going on overseas. 

 

 

This is coming too

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-teenager-lily-madigan-applies-for-jo-cox-women-s-leadership-scheme-78vs7r2pj


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  Reply # 1948727 30-Jan-2018 17:11
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Double standards pure and simple.

 

Regrettably I noticed an article in the rag about TV News stuffed suit Mike McRoberts. Good on Mike, he's got himself fit and into great shape. So twitter's on fire about it and a whole lot of women's comments along the line of 'fwoar get a look at that!'. Which is fine, doesn't worry me. But if it was pictures of his sidekick Samantha Hayes looking super in a swimsuit and guys were making the same comments there would be howls of outrage over the objectification and harassment.

 

 


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BTR: Ok to have Women only but men only isn't allowed?

The article says nothing like that. It says one person who identifies as trans and one person who identifies as queer (might be trans) were turned away on the basis they were women. I don't see any conclusion there or any evidence a complaint has been made.

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  Reply # 1948729 30-Jan-2018 17:15
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BTR

 

When will people stop being PC mad! Does that mean I can go into a Chinese restaurant and demand they make me Italian food and if they don't they are being racist? 

 

 

There's a strawman in that question which therefore doesn't really deserve an answer, but I'll do it anyway.

 

The answer is no. Easy.

 

Women want female only gyms because some men who frequent gyms are dirty perving scumbags, others are fat-shaming morons.  I can understand why some women prefer women-only gyms.  A better solution in my opinion would be for gyms to weed out scumbags, and turf them out.  But I acknowledge that would be hard to police and enforce - unless it was extreme.

 

I'm not sure why men want men-only hairdressers.  Is there a valid reason other than "just because"?  Some contrived mansplanation perhaps?

 

 

I have known some women that are just as bad as guys when it comes to eyeing up someone of the opposite sex.  Sure not as many of them but I was even shocked with what some of them say when they see a guy with a nice butt, arms, chest etc.

 

Some guys just want a place to go and chat with other guys and not have to worry that something they say may be taking out of context etc.  Also the owner might just want to deal with men's cuts.

 

I am all for "go anywhere you like just don't be a d**k to others you are sharing the space with".  But some people can't control what they say or respect others and this is why you get "women only or men only" places.

 

 


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  Reply # 1948731 30-Jan-2018 17:24
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Dingbatt:
nathan:

 

where is Susan Devoy when you need her?

 



What's a Race Relations Commissioner got to do with this? Or does she cut hair in her spare time? ;-)

 

close enough to the Human Rights Commission.

 

I'm amazed that so many people care about this issue of female barbers.  Who gives a flying fudge.  These people got too much time on their hands or something.


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tripp:; Also the owner might just want to deal with men's cuts.

That seems unlikely. That's the beauty of a barber. Everyone gets the same cuts.

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