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#1965364 27-Feb-2018 19:50

We have a Nespresso machine in our office at work, we have all tried the wide sources of capsules, I gave up after a few serious attempts to like what it did.

If Nespresso machines were so great, why do all those coffee carts out there from BP cafes to top end coffee emporiums just save themselves a lot of hassle and do the same.................................... because the coffee is rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clearly YMMV and you are welcome to your taste, its a free world in this corner.

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#1965365 27-Feb-2018 19:51

Twincamr2:

Yep. Especially to people who ask my opinion. And anonymous people on web forums.

Doesn't this point to ... maybe you? Anyway.

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#1965366 27-Feb-2018 19:52

freitasm:

Original Nespresso capsules are aluminium.

Absolutely fair point. But it's still waste that largely doesn't exist with a conventional espresso machine. And aluminium that is probably lost to landfills, rather than being recycled and going on to create something useful.

Side note: I hope the aluminium is anodised - heat and pressure and acidic coffee may not be the best combination to be in contact with aluminium.

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#1965376 27-Feb-2018 20:23

cyril7:

We have a Nespresso machine in our office at work, we have all tried the wide sources of capsules, I gave up after a few serious attempts to like what it did.

Is it well calibrated? I know of an office which has a Nespresso machine and when I tried for an espresso (25 ml) the machine filled my little demitasse and continued paste the 25ml/20 seconds extraction - it was set to fill a mug with a single shot capsule. Of course anything like this will taste bad. When I asked the reception person said "An expert calibrated it".

cyril7:

If Nespresso machines were so great, why do all those coffee carts out there from BP cafes to top end coffee emporiums just save themselves a lot of hassle and do the same.................................... because the coffee is rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or just because people want to see a barista working the espresso machine - remember some people pay for "deconstructed" coffee too...

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#1965379 27-Feb-2018 20:32

Some analog numbers in a digital world:

Melting point of aluminium: 660,3 °C

Brewing temp: ~70-90°C

Guess what the pipes of most standard coffee brewing (and espresso) machines are made of?

Natural content of aluminium in coffee beans: 0,73-52mg/kg

Content in ONE cup of nespresso coffee after brewing: 0,002-0,005mg (including the natural content of ANY coffee).

Natural content of aluminium in one slice of bread (125g): 0,4mg - this is ~100 times the amount of one cup of nespresso.

Things can be simple.

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#1965403 27-Feb-2018 22:14

Tinkerisk:

Some analog numbers in a digital world:

Melting point of aluminium: 660,3 °C

Brewing temp: ~70-90°C

Guess what the pipes of most standard coffee brewing (and espresso) machines are made of?

Natural content of aluminium in coffee beans: 0,73-52mg/kg

Content in ONE cup of nespresso coffee after brewing: 0,002-0,005mg (including the natural content of ANY coffee).

Natural content of aluminium in one slice of bread (125g): 0,4mg - this is ~100 times the amount of one cup of nespresso.

Things can be simple.

Oh, you are adorable!

I agree completely: if you drink molten aluminium, you will probably have a Very Bad Day. However, that isn't even remotely related to what I actually said.

A lot of coffee machines do use aluminium, yes (mostly thermoblock machines), but rarely is the aluminium in actual contact with the acidic coffee. FWIW, I personally try to avoid those machines as well.

I will concede that the amount of aluminium that you are likely to ingest from 'coffee pods' is unlikely to be a huge contributor to your daily intake, unless you drink dozens of cups per day. I will also concede that the long-term health effects of aluminium in the diet are far from concrete. On the other hand, it isn't a big deal to avoid it where you can. It can even be... simple.

David

P.S. those are some big-ass slabs of bread!

P.P.S. I'm done derailing this thread. Or maybe going off-topic in the off-topic forum is okay?

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#1965415 27-Feb-2018 23:14

Twincamr2:

However, that isn't even remotely related to what I actually said.

You said acid, I said it's included in the numbers above. All said.

(or show unbiased PROVEN SCIENTIFIC evidence in this specific coffee context)

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#1965439 28-Feb-2018 00:01

Just to stoke the fires of the Nespresso War...

We just bought another machine. It's the Creatista Plus which is a Breville unit, containing (apparently) the milk frothing wonder from the Breville Oracle machine mixed with the Nespresso system.

Does it work, I hear you ask.

Well. I am no Barista and nor am I likely to be one. However, yes, it froths milk pretty well considering there is no human input. There are 8 settings of 'frothiness' and you can adjust the milk temperature from low to very hot. It has programmed recipes for Ristretto, Espresso, Lungo, Cappuccino, Latte, Flat White and Latte Macchiato.

However..due to the seperate milk steam wand setup, unlike our previous machine, this one does not do a 'press once and there's your finished coffee' approach. So, unless you know (assuming you care) how much coffee and how much milk etc is supposed to be in the recipes, it's essentially making coffee and milk and what you make may or may not actually be a correct version of those drinks.

It comes with a stainless milk jug and there is a milk temperature sensor on the plate you stand the jug on so that it knows what it is actually starting at and getting to. I believe the Oracle (much more expensive) has a sensor in the tip of the steam wand.

I'm told you can actually do latte art with the milk from the machine. I can't - at least, nothing recognisable by anyone except Jackson Pollock - but you can certainly get white milk on top of brown crema, so maybe if you have the milk pouring skills, you could. My cups are all very deep rather than shallow and wide so I doubt that helps either.

Things I love about the machine - looks good, ready to go from off in 3 seconds only, makes a reasonable go of doing good milk for you. Not so loved - no help with actually making the drinks, sometimes you get hot milk below and fluffy froth above in the milk jug and it means you need to add milk (if you want it) then spoon the froth out, it uses more milk than I need - the minimum mark in the jug is probably 3 or 4 times as much milk as I use if I am only making coffee for me so that is a bit of a waste as I do not suppose it reheats nicely

We got it for a much reduced $500 instead of the retail of $899 so that played a lot in it's favour.

I doubt what I drink is actually any kind of 'official' named coffee - it's a double espresso with a small amount of milk of light froth added, so a sort of espresso macchiato I suppose.

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#1965447 28-Feb-2018 01:30

Geektastic:

Just to stoke the fires of the Nespresso War...

Naaaaah, no wars. For me it's just despelling homeopathic myth spreaded by no means of evidence. It's always the same scheme and there will be no evidence when there is really nothing bad when observed by neutral focus (I'm certainly not a fan of the mother company of Nespresso: Nestlé). But this has no technical Impact to the coffee itself.

In addition to that, you could give the aluminum capsules back to the shop (or like in Germany, to the Dual Recycling System collecting the waste every 2 weeks for recycling - BTW I own the black Edition Victorinox as well ). The Dual-System demonstrated that they do recycle ~90% of the aluminium in general with their process (imagine, every joghurt beaker and many other packaging has it). For Nespresso itself, they claim to be at ~53% recycling rate and want to improve to ~75% next. It clearly depends how we, as the consumers deal with this stuff and how lazy we are. But you can't accuse Nespresso for their packaging and throw away aluminium kitchen foil (another waste of resources) at the same time.

Finally it can't be enforced by myth or tales trying to head us to either this or that direction. I'm testing and investigating each day by educated profession and I refuse to be teached by myth which are not emphasized by means of reputational evidence. Homeopathic LOHAS just suck with their snapped internet opinions which have already been proved as wrong.

Now I'm done. Let's have a coffee.

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#1965450 28-Feb-2018 02:59

Twincamr2:

P.S. those are some big-ass slabs of bread!

Nope. It's a considerable slice of a REAL bread like THIS, not a beermat from a cartboard box like THAT.

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#1965825 28-Feb-2018 13:10

Tinkerisk:
Geektastic:

Just to stoke the fires of the Nespresso War...

Naaaaah, no wars. For me it's just despelling homeopathic myth spreaded by no means of evidence. It's always the same scheme and there will be no evidence when there is really nothing bad when observed by neutral focus (I'm certainly not a fan of the mother company of Nespresso: Nestlé). But this has no technical Impact to the coffee itself.

In addition to that, you could give the aluminum capsules back to the shop (or like in Germany, to the Dual Recycling System collecting the waste every 2 weeks for recycling - BTW I own the black Edition Victorinox as well ). The Dual-System demonstrated that they do recycle ~90% of the aluminium in general with their process (imagine, every joghurt beaker and many other packaging has it). For Nespresso itself, they claim to be at ~53% recycling rate and want to improve to ~75% next. It clearly depends how we, as the consumers deal with this stuff and how lazy we are. But you can't accuse Nespresso for their packaging and throw away aluminium kitchen foil (another waste of resources) at the same time.

Finally it can't be enforced by myth or tales trying to head us to either this or that direction. I'm testing and investigating each day by educated profession and I refuse to be teached by myth which are not emphasized by means of reputational evidence. Homeopathic LOHAS just suck with their snapped internet opinions which have already been proved as wrong.

Now I'm done. Let's have a coffee.

All our Nespresso capsules go in post paid recycling bags back to Nespresso. Easy.

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