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MikeAqua
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  #1955802 12-Feb-2018 15:22
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I've gotten off multiple times for work reasons.  I haven't been asked for ages though, so things may well have changed.

 

Personally, I don't feel competent to serve on a jury.  I'm inattentive to things that bore me (and what I've seen of court trials would definitely bore me), probably biased to some degree and easily made irritable by uncomfortable chairs.

 

Hint: Jury duty papers are substantial and come in MoJ envelopes.  Easily spotted if you aren't otherwise expecting correspondence from them.

 

 

 

 





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  #1955803 12-Feb-2018 15:22
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MikeB4:

 

when I was an employer it was a pain but the notice period is reasonable and allows time to plan around it. I did on occasion get a key project team member deferred and the process was uncomplicated. On a personal note I was permanently excused service due to my medical condition a few years back. 

 

 

You have obviously never run a small business where having 25% of your workforce is missing. 

 

I don't think there is a way to have reasonable notice of that for some positions within a company. 

 

Worse still, I have to pay this person, while they can't work.


 
 
 
 


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  #1955804 12-Feb-2018 15:23
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So what happens if you are the only employee in your business?

 

 

 

Nobody knows?






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  #1955807 12-Feb-2018 15:30
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networkn:

 

MikeB4:

 

when I was an employer it was a pain but the notice period is reasonable and allows time to plan around it. I did on occasion get a key project team member deferred and the process was uncomplicated. On a personal note I was permanently excused service due to my medical condition a few years back. 

 

 

You have obviously never run a small business where having 25% of your workforce is missing. 

 

I don't think there is a way to have reasonable notice of that for some positions within a company. 

 

Worse still, I have to pay this person, while they can't work.

 

 

Incorrect, I have managed staffing establishments from seven staff up to sixty. Yes it's a pain but no more so than managing annual and sick leave, and the key word is managing and it was my job to do just that.





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  #1955809 12-Feb-2018 15:32
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The notice period is waaaaay shorter than our planning cycle (annual) in the business I work at.  That's the time frame I use for planing decent chunks of leave.

 

The other things is, while my employer would have to give me time off ... my work is just going to pile up because no-one else is doing it.  They are busy with their own work.  So in reality I'm working nights to keep up so I'm turning up for jury duty tired grump and even more inattentive than normal.

 

If my employer choose not to pay me (they don't have to) , the MoJ 'payment' is pitiful.





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  #1955811 12-Feb-2018 15:37
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Are casual employees covered for their wages being paid by the employer here? 


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  #1955814 12-Feb-2018 15:43
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loceff13:

 

Are casual employees covered for their wages being paid by the employer here? 

 

 

Entirely up to their employer. Employers don't have to pay their staff while they're on Jury service (see here https://justice.govt.nz/courts/jury-service/employers/).

 

The place I work at for example does cover our wages while we're on Jury service however a couple of jobs back (in a much smaller company) did not.


 
 
 
 


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  #1955820 12-Feb-2018 16:05
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networkn:

 

You have obviously never run a small business where having 25% of your workforce is missing. 

 

I don't think there is a way to have reasonable notice of that for some positions within a company. 

 

 

Right. But what would you do if a staff member had an accident or illness  today and was going to be in hospital for 2 weeks? Do that now.

 

 


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  #1955869 12-Feb-2018 16:16
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Completely irrelevant to the OP but the chances of me sitting for hours for weeks and considering every detail is remote. Do use of jury have scientific evidence?




Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.


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  #1955886 12-Feb-2018 16:39
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networkn:

MikeB4:


when I was an employer it was a pain but the notice period is reasonable and allows time to plan around it. I did on occasion get a key project team member deferred and the process was uncomplicated. On a personal note I was permanently excused service due to my medical condition a few years back. 



You have obviously never run a small business where having 25% of your workforce is missing. 


I don't think there is a way to have reasonable notice of that for some positions within a company. 


Worse still, I have to pay this person, while they can't work.


The company I used to work for wouldn't write a letter on your behalf and if you did jury duty you had to take annual or unpaid leave. It's fairly common I believe with small companies. When I worked for Telecom there were no issues.




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  #1955908 12-Feb-2018 17:12
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I think they should make more use of retired people of jury duty. It should solve the problem of people not being able to do it due to other commitments associated with life in 2018. especially as many younger people these days have huge mortgages for overpriced houses, so can't afford the time off. Older people have far more life experience, and can also have far more common sense.


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  #1955909 12-Feb-2018 17:14
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Does anyone know the date they started getting really hard on letting people off or deferring?


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  #1955912 12-Feb-2018 17:31
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mattwnz:

 

I think they should make more use of retired people of jury duty. It should solve the problem of people not being able to do it due to other commitments associated with life in 2018. especially as many younger people these days have huge mortgages for overpriced houses, so can't afford the time off. Older people have far more life experience, and can also have far more common sense.

 

 

I always paid full wages to someone on Jury service. I also did not consider it annual leave or sick leave.





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  #1955916 12-Feb-2018 17:39
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MikeB4:

 

mattwnz:

 

I think they should make more use of retired people of jury duty. It should solve the problem of people not being able to do it due to other commitments associated with life in 2018. especially as many younger people these days have huge mortgages for overpriced houses, so can't afford the time off. Older people have far more life experience, and can also have far more common sense.

 

 

I always paid full wages to someone on Jury service. I also did not consider it annual leave or sick leave.

 

 

Were these by chance private companies ? Or Public offices with pretty much-unlimited budgets?


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  #1955917 12-Feb-2018 17:41
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networkn:

 

MikeB4:

 

mattwnz:

 

I think they should make more use of retired people of jury duty. It should solve the problem of people not being able to do it due to other commitments associated with life in 2018. especially as many younger people these days have huge mortgages for overpriced houses, so can't afford the time off. Older people have far more life experience, and can also have far more common sense.

 

 

I always paid full wages to someone on Jury service. I also did not consider it annual leave or sick leave.

 

 

Were these by chance private companies ? Or Public offices with pretty much-unlimited budgets?

 

 

Both and neither had unlimited budgets





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