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  #1981743 22-Mar-2018 22:04
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All such tests (inductive verbal numerical, and personality trait) are pretty well worthless when applied to job selection (and probably everything else).

 

See how they get the data -- take 1000 programmers, give them a personality test, and discover that there is some correlation (small, but significant, usually) between a trait and some other, usually completely informal, assessment of the goodness of the programmers.  If you have a good number in your group, this significance may only account for 25% of the data, so it's pretty rough.  

 

But look at the logic -- can you say, if you have this trait, you'll be a good programmer?  No, all you know is that good programmers have more than usual of this trait.  So may many other people who are NOT good programmers.  So, you can't say, if a person has this trait, she will be a good programmer.  The conditional probabilities (Good old Rev. Bayes) just don't work like this.

 

I once did a personality test which had a scientific creativity subscale, and I scored in the 99th percentile.  Does this make me a Very Creative Scientist?  No, it just means that I share a characteristic with such people.  Doesn't make me a VCS, or even likely to become a VCS.

 

F99 is right.  It's phrenology because almost no one understands the conditional probabilities.

 

 





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  #1982665 24-Mar-2018 18:52
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Thanks for all the feedback guys. 

IcI:

 

Well, how much do you want this bank job? Like al things in life, the more you practice, the better you get.

 

  • If you're not to worried, simply take the test and see what the end result is.
  • If you really want this job, take as many as possible of these test exams (incl. alternative sites) before having to sit for the test.

 

I agree with you regarding practice. It's difficult to adequately prepare for all three disciplines within the 48 hour time period they give you. I should've done some preparation over the break, but I didn't actually see myself applying for graduate roles at that point. I forgot that most applications need to be made almost a year before the role's start date as well. I didn't expect to receive the invite to complete the tests so soon either. Lots of mistakes made : )


 
 
 
 




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  #2003631 27-Apr-2018 15:59
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Update:

I have been rejected by 3/4 banks so far, all of which have come after completing the tests. I'm not even making it to the video interview (recorded not live) stage of the application process. I can accept that there are better applicants, and of course, there are, but it's tough when you have classmates with poor academic records going through to the next stage and not you. Not to mention, the more I discuss the process with other students, the more I am learning that many students cheat by completing the tests in groups.

I've had one positive experience so far. I met the test benchmarks for one of NZ's largest companies and was offered a video interview. I completed the video interview and was later rejected, but that was because I had applied for a role which my qualification is very loosely related to. They said I interviewed well but they went for applicants with qualifications in that field.





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  #2294376 11-Aug-2019 19:47
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Just saw another career thread on here and thought I'd update this.

I ended up not applying for any further graduate programmes after posting this thread. At the end of last year I graduated as the top student in finance. I got offered a postgraduate scholarship and accepted it before Christmas. I took on a teaching assistant role while studying during the first semester this year. I soon worked out uni wasn't where I wanted to be and started looking for work instead. I continued to teach while I was looking for jobs and ended up landing a job with my second job application. There were 100+ applicants but no psychometric tests... While it's not one of the big banks or the big four, the role I have is a much better opportunity than any graduate programme could offer.


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