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  Reply # 2007861 4-May-2018 15:07
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Your pension may come from off shore but you are receiving considerable benefits that taxation is required to meet both now and for the future. Caring for New Zealands' financial future is just as important as care for our ecological future. Those offshore corporations that peddle their wares here contribute zero to both and sure as hell wont contribute if things go pear shaped for us. 

 

 

I am also paying tax on my income, just like everyone else. Except my income is generated overseas. According to your argument, if everyone in this country suddenly stopped shopping elsewhere and only did all their purchasing in New Zealand, all our financial problems would be solved. I know you are smarter than that. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And you know that I am not saying that all. Its a case that all the domino's are affected and each just care for the other or they all fall.

 

Overseas pensions that are not paid by MSD under reciprocal agreements are generally taxed at source or by tax credit arrangements. I am assuming that your pension is taxed at source as I cannot recall if there is a reciprocal agreement with the Netherlands.





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  Reply # 2007865 4-May-2018 15:11
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These discussions often seem to spiral out of control. I have made my position clear. I am a private consumer with a limited income who makes purchasing decisions on the basis of getting the best deal I can. This is a perfectly normal and legitimate thing to do. I am not a politician. I am not a civil servant. I do not work for the Commerce Commission. I do not bear special responsibility for the economic direction of New Zealand. I am just a private person trying to get by as best I can. It is not my responsibility or competence to answer questions of national interest about funding and what to do with the unemployed. You should take that kind of thing up with your MP.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yet as usual, you strongly criticise all of these organizations, people who are responsible. When asked to justify that criticism you won't/can't, except in the most general of terms. 

 

 


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  Reply # 2007874 4-May-2018 15:17
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I honestly don't know if those making the things I buy are being exploited. I do know that in the past, employees of Foxconn were so badly treated they were committing suicide. I believe that was dealt with. My impression is that the Chinese are able to produce things more cheaply because they have a lower wage economy, not because children are being enslaved. I don't think China can be compared to the Philippines, or Bangladesh, or other places like that, but even if it could, it wouldn't make any difference to your argument. Even if I bought everything through TradeMe, it would still be manufactured in China. It might benefit a few New Zealand traders, but it wouldn't make a blind bit of different to the people making the things, so your point doesn't really go anywhere.

 

 

You honestly don't know, or you don't want to know? Chances are, if you cared, you could divert some of the time from other activities into finding out. 

 

You are ok with China being a low wage economy and support this by buying from China, but pretty sure you support NZ moving away from this low wage economy, but won't support THAT by buying locally. You can say you can't afford it, but that really leaves the "rich" you have criticized previously, to do it for the benefit of everyone. 

 

 


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  Reply # 2007876 4-May-2018 15:17
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And you know that I am not saying that all. It a case that all the domino's are affected and each just care for the other or they all fall.

 

Overseas pensions that are not paid by MSD under reciprocal agreements are generally taxed at source or by tax credit arrangements. I am assuming that your pension is taxed at source as I cannot recall if there is a reciprocal agreement with the Netherlands.

 

 

No, it's taxed here. There are different options but I chose to have it paid to MSD and then be paid from that. It saves on unnecessary paperwork.

 

 





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  Reply # 2007878 4-May-2018 15:18
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Rikkitic:

 

I honestly don't know if those making the things I buy are being exploited. I do know that in the past, employees of Foxconn were so badly treated they were committing suicide. I believe that was dealt with. My impression is that the Chinese are able to produce things more cheaply because they have a lower wage economy, not because children are being enslaved. I don't think China can be compared to the Philippines, or Bangladesh, or other places like that, but even if it could, it wouldn't make any difference to your argument. Even if I bought everything through TradeMe, it would still be manufactured in China. It might benefit a few New Zealand traders, but it wouldn't make a blind bit of different to the people making the things, so your point doesn't really go anywhere.

 

 

You honestly don't know, or you don't want to know? Chances are, if you cared, you could divert some of the time from other activities into finding out. 

 

You are ok with China being a low wage economy and support this by buying from China, but pretty sure you support NZ moving away from this low wage economy, but won't support THAT by buying locally. You can say you can't afford it, but that really leaves the "rich" you have criticized previously, to do it for the benefit of everyone. 

 

 

 

 

Not biting. Go back to your thread.

 

 





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  Reply # 2007879 4-May-2018 15:21
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Not biting. Go back to your thread.

 

 

As I expected. BTW your continued rudeness is completely uncalled for. Get a grip. 


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  Reply # 2007883 4-May-2018 15:23
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Rikkitic:

 

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Rikkitic:

 

I honestly don't know if those making the things I buy are being exploited. I do know that in the past, employees of Foxconn were so badly treated they were committing suicide. I believe that was dealt with. My impression is that the Chinese are able to produce things more cheaply because they have a lower wage economy, not because children are being enslaved. I don't think China can be compared to the Philippines, or Bangladesh, or other places like that, but even if it could, it wouldn't make any difference to your argument. Even if I bought everything through TradeMe, it would still be manufactured in China. It might benefit a few New Zealand traders, but it wouldn't make a blind bit of different to the people making the things, so your point doesn't really go anywhere.

 

 

You honestly don't know, or you don't want to know? Chances are, if you cared, you could divert some of the time from other activities into finding out. 

 

You are ok with China being a low wage economy and support this by buying from China, but pretty sure you support NZ moving away from this low wage economy, but won't support THAT by buying locally. You can say you can't afford it, but that really leaves the "rich" you have criticized previously, to do it for the benefit of everyone. 

 

 

 

 

Not biting. Go back to your thread.

 

 

 

 

Fight fight fight, fight fight fight, the rikki and networkn show. 

 

Incidentally, the best way to transform the lives of those living in third world countries is to buy goods and services from them. Sure, they may be poorly paid in your post industrial first world perspective, but, from the workers perspective they have a job and are earning more money than ever compared to the past.   

 

Look at china, wages are becoming so high there that it is no longer an obvious choice to base manufacturing facilities. 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2007891 4-May-2018 15:28
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Incidentally, the best way to transform the lives of those living in third world countries is to buy goods and services from them. Sure, they may be poorly paid in your post industrial first world perspective, but, from the workers perspective they have a job and are earning more money than ever compared to the past.   

 

Look at china, wages are becoming so high there that it is no longer an obvious choice to base manufacturing facilities. 

 

 

 

 

That is the right answer!





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  Reply # 2007897 4-May-2018 15:31
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Incidentally, the best way to transform the lives of those living in third world countries is to buy goods and services from them. Sure, they may be poorly paid in your post industrial first world perspective, but, from the workers perspective they have a job and are earning more money than ever compared to the past.   

 

 

I agree. The unfortunate reality is many workers in the 3rd world have little education.

 

Those who are educated, like my wife, leave for better opportunities elsewhere.

 

The problem in countries like the Philippines is it's not 1, 2 or 3 things which is broken. If it were that easy, we'd be living there now. It's almost every damn thing which is broken in ways one can imagine and in ways one has to see to believe.

 

Sorry to say, the rot is setting in the developed world, including New Zealand, as well.





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  Reply # 2007899 4-May-2018 15:34
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Rikkitic:

 

surfisup1000:

 

Incidentally, the best way to transform the lives of those living in third world countries is to buy goods and services from them. Sure, they may be poorly paid in your post industrial first world perspective, but, from the workers perspective they have a job and are earning more money than ever compared to the past.   

 

Look at china, wages are becoming so high there that it is no longer an obvious choice to base manufacturing facilities. 

 

 

 

 

That is the right answer!

 

 

Just as well someone was here to answer that for you. 

 

Problem is, many people think NZ is a low wage economy, and surely our responsibility is to Kiwi's first? Right?

 

Surely you aren't pretending that the reason you buy from China is to help them out of their low wage economy.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2007929 4-May-2018 15:38
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Fight fight fight, fight fight fight, the rikki and networkn show. 

 

 

I'm trying to stay out of it. Not always easy when the other party is determined to carry it on.

 

 





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  Reply # 2007930 4-May-2018 15:39
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surfisup1000:

 

Fight fight fight, fight fight fight, the rikki and networkn show. 

 

 

I'm trying to stay out of it. Not always easy when the other party is determined to carry it on.

 

 

 

 

I asked you VERY reasonable questions in a civil tone. 


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Rikkitic:

 

surfisup1000:

 

Incidentally, the best way to transform the lives of those living in third world countries is to buy goods and services from them. Sure, they may be poorly paid in your post industrial first world perspective, but, from the workers perspective they have a job and are earning more money than ever compared to the past.   

 

Look at china, wages are becoming so high there that it is no longer an obvious choice to base manufacturing facilities. 

 

 

 

 

That is the right answer!

 

 

Just as well someone was here to answer that for you. 

 

Problem is, many people think NZ is a low wage economy, and surely our responsibility is to Kiwi's first? Right?

 

 

 

 

Then all incomes and benefits need to reflect buying into these idealogies.    I dont seriously think people on benefits or earning a level where they have minimal disposable income to buy from NZers if they can the same or better overseas for cheaper.  In fact I dont even expect them to buy free range eggs.  I would like to but I dont in many cases - I chose to prioritise what I consider essentials for where I am in life right now because I dont want to struggle when in retirement.

 

 


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  Reply # 2007935 4-May-2018 15:47
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Then all incomes and benefits need to reflect buying into these idealogies.    I dont seriously think people on benefits or earning a level where they have minimal disposable income to buy from NZers if they can the same or better overseas for cheaper.  In fact I dont even expect them to buy free range eggs.  I would like to but I dont in many cases - I chose to prioritise what I consider essentials for where I am in life right now because I dont want to struggle when in retirement.

 

 

What's the threshold then? Where is the bar by which you should (or should be compelled to) buy free range eggs, or buy from a local manufacturer? Is it reasonable for someone who doesn't buy FR eggs complain about Animal mistreatment?

 

We are really off track here though, I'll admit. 

 

 


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Then all incomes and benefits need to reflect buying into these idealogies.    I dont seriously think people on benefits or earning a level where they have minimal disposable income to buy from NZers if they can the same or better overseas for cheaper.  In fact I dont even expect them to buy free range eggs.  I would like to but I dont in many cases - I chose to prioritise what I consider essentials for where I am in life right now because I dont want to struggle when in retirement.

 

 

What's the threshold then? Where is the bar by which you should (or should be compelled to) buy free range eggs, or buy from a local manufacturer? Is it reasonable for someone who doesn't buy FR eggs complain about Animal mistreatment?

 

We are really off track here though, I'll admit. 

 

 

 

 

No threshhold - everyones expectations and values are different and its just financial balance how much your values cost you.  The more money you have, the easier it is buy local, organic, free range and make decisions.  If you can buy something overseas and ship it here to NZ substantially cheaper than buying it here (because it is in most cases), and that assists with keeping peoples head above water, save for a house, afford more for their kids etc, then go for it.

 

The whole thing about people buying overseas is that its substantially cheaper - and I personally have found its easier to return something to Amazon than to a NZ retailer.

 

I think people should feel free to buy caged eggs if thats what they can afford.  Its a cheap nutritious meal.  I will change, but not right now, later in life but its probably going to be when the mortgage is gone.

 

 


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