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kryptonjohn

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  #2056576 15-Jul-2018 18:09
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... None more so than Winston offering to be the first into the drift. Pure politics there.

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  #2056579 15-Jul-2018 18:12
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kryptonjohn: Either he lacked the insight to see how his offer was going to come across, or his ego is so larger it blocked the view.

 

Well we don't know whether his (Musk) offer and technology was offered before he turned up in person...The Thai authoratories allowed him to visit the cave and meet their PM. I suspect they didn't want to offend him and miss the oppertunity for his possible investment in Thailand. Well managed all things considered

 

I still wonder whether in NZ if something similar occured whether 'we' would have handled the situation like the Thai (military) govt did

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2056582 15-Jul-2018 18:18
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xlinknz:

kryptonjohn: Either he lacked the insight to see how his offer was going to come across, or his ego is so larger it blocked the view.


Well we don't know whether his (Musk) offer and technology was offered before he turned up in person...The Thai authoratories allowed him to visit the cave and meet their PM. I suspect they didn't want to offend him and miss the oppertunity for his possible investment in Thailand. Well managed all things considered


I still wonder whether in NZ if something similar occured whether 'we' would have handled the situation like the Thai (military) govt did


 


 


 


 


Me too. I fear OSH restrictions would have led to inaction.
It's worse in the UK:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3189696/How-police-stand-watch-boy-drown-6ft-water-did-STOP-bystanders-diving-save-investigate-disturbing-elf-n-safety-debacle-yet.html

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  #2056583 15-Jul-2018 18:18
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xlinknz:

kryptonjohn: Either he lacked the insight to see how his offer was going to come across, or his ego is so larger it blocked the view.


Well we don't know whether his (Musk) offer and technology was offered before he turned up in person...The Thai authoratories allowed him to visit the cave and meet their PM. I suspect they didn't want to offend him and miss the oppertunity for his possible investment in Thailand. Well managed all things considered


I still wonder whether in NZ if something similar occured whether 'we' would have handled the situation like the Thai (military) govt did


 


 


 


 


Me too. I fear OSH restrictions would have led to inaction.
It's worse in the UK:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3189696/How-police-stand-watch-boy-drown-6ft-water-did-STOP-bystanders-diving-save-investigate-disturbing-elf-n-safety-debacle-yet.html

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  #2056585 15-Jul-2018 18:21
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kryptonjohn: But you've just quoted politicians talking about it, political parties have differing positions stated on it, they campaigned on their positions, ipso facto they made it political.

 

Your post made it clear that its a Labour political issue. Im saying its even, both wanted re entry, National declined due to safety, and Labour hasn't yet declined, also based on safety, so its an even issue. 0-0 or 1-1. What I see is that if someone dies its Labours fault. If they recover the remains, its Labours fault. That's exactly what will happen here. 

 

And its not a major issue, its historical pretty much. Will make the news if they go in, or don't. Or the money it cost. It will just be the usual niggle.

 

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It will be a major issue here!


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  #2056586 15-Jul-2018 18:23
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tdgeek:

kryptonjohn: But you've just quoted politicians talking about it, political parties have differing positions stated on it, they campaigned on their positions, ipso facto they made it political.


Your post made it clear that its a Labour political issue. Im saying its even, both wanted re entry, National declined due to safety, and Labour hasn't yet declined, also based on safety, so its an even issue. 0-0 or 1-1. What I see is that if someone dies its Labours fault. If they recover the remains, its Labours fault. That's exactly what will happen here. 


And its not a major issue, its historical pretty much. Will make the news if they go in, or don't. Or the money it cost. It will just be the usual niggle.


EDIT


It will be a major issue here!


Shrug.
You are reading things into my post incorrectly.
As I said can we please stop talking about pike river in this thread?

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  #2056587 15-Jul-2018 18:24
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I'd like to see Winston go in. Oh wait ... He never said he was going to and we are all liars making up fake news...




Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.


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  #2056588 15-Jul-2018 18:26
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xlinknz:

 

 

 

I still wonder whether in NZ if something similar occured whether 'we' would have handled the situation like the Thai (military) govt did

 

 

 

 

Hard to know. But I gather the international divers were key. If that occurred here, that would still be key. So, if knowledge was the issue, not so much local knowledge, then no reason why NZ would have been any different. The fact that all 13 were known to be alive, means they would have gone in. 


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  #2056589 15-Jul-2018 18:28
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kryptonjohn:
tdgeek:

 

kryptonjohn: But you've just quoted politicians talking about it, political parties have differing positions stated on it, they campaigned on their positions, ipso facto they made it political.

 

 

 

Your post made it clear that its a Labour political issue. Im saying its even, both wanted re entry, National declined due to safety, and Labour hasn't yet declined, also based on safety, so its an even issue. 0-0 or 1-1. What I see is that if someone dies its Labours fault. If they recover the remains, its Labours fault. That's exactly what will happen here. 

 

 

 

And its not a major issue, its historical pretty much. Will make the news if they go in, or don't. Or the money it cost. It will just be the usual niggle.

 

 

 

EDIT

 

 

 

It will be a major issue here!

 


Shrug.
You are reading things into my post incorrectly.
As I said can we please stop talking about pike river in this thread?

 

Sure. I'm just going by the strange political bend in GZ since the last election.  Back to topic.


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kryptonjohn:
xlinknz:

 

kryptonjohn: Either he lacked the insight to see how his offer was going to come across, or his ego is so larger it blocked the view.

 

Well we don't know whether his (Musk) offer and technology was offered before he turned up in person...The Thai authoratories allowed him to visit the cave and meet their PM. I suspect they didn't want to offend him and miss the oppertunity for his possible investment in Thailand. Well managed all things considered

 

I still wonder whether in NZ if something similar occured whether 'we' would have handled the situation like the Thai (military) govt did

 


Me too. I fear OSH restrictions would have led to inaction.
It's worse in the UK:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3189696/How-police-stand-watch-boy-drown-6ft-water-did-STOP-bystanders-diving-save-investigate-disturbing-elf-n-safety-debacle-yet.html

 

tdgeek:

 

xlinknz:

 

I still wonder whether in NZ if something similar occured whether 'we' would have handled the situation like the Thai (military) govt did

 

 

Hard to know. But I gather the international divers were key. If that occurred here, that would still be key. So, if knowledge was the issue, not so much local knowledge, then no reason why NZ would have been any different. The fact that all 13 were known to be alive, means they would have gone in. 

 

 

I feel NZ in the same situation would taken a more risk averse approach. In Thailand my understanding was the 4 SEALs/Medics that stayed with the team were at risk and clearly those diving in aid (as one of those did loose their life) were too. Would the NZ authoraties allow rescuers to take similar risks?

 

I'd say the Thai governement could take more liberties in regards to risk and get on with the rescue without fear of breaking laws or litigation.

 

As you say the intl divers and their expertise were key

 

Kudos to them and the Thai authoratories :)

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2056611 15-Jul-2018 19:10
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xlinknz:

 

I feel NZ in the same situation would taken a more risk averse approach. In Thailand my understanding was the 4 SEALs/Medics that stayed with the team were at risk and clearly those diving in aid (as one of those did loose their life) were too. Would the NZ authoraties allow rescuers to take similar risks?

 

I'd say the Thai governement could take more liberties in regards to risk and get on with the rescue without fear of breaking laws or litigation.

 

As you say the intl divers and their expertise were key

 

Kudos to them and the Thai authoratories :)

 

 

 

 

Definitely. But as the 13 were alive, there isn't really any option IMHO. 


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I had to laugh tonight when one of the boys when asked what he wanted to eat said he replied KFC!

 

I looked it up and yes there is a KFC in Chiang Rai!

 

NB: I wonder whether the stateless ones will get citizenship as is being suggested and what role the govt will take in shielding the families from the media and 'offers'. I figure the Thai govt want this to remain a good news story ?

 

 


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  #2056626 15-Jul-2018 19:34
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That may be true, but it could also be a translation error. Sometimes translators look for cultural equivalents rather than literal translations. In other places I saw several references ot the kids asking for a traditional Thai chicken dish, but not KFC. I used to work as a translator. I haven't seen anything where a kid literally asks for KFC. Did this actually happen?

 

 





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Rikkitic:

 

That may be true, but it could also be a translation error. Sometimes translators look for cultural equivalents rather than literal translations. In other places I saw several references ot the kids asking for a traditional Thai chicken dish, but not KFC. I used to work as a translator. I haven't seen anything where a kid literally asks for KFC. Did this actually happen?

 

 

yes

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-44835628/first-video-messages-from-rescued-thai-boys

 

approx 1 min in, definately KFC - kids LOL :)

 

 


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  #2056680 15-Jul-2018 20:29
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Blecchhh.

 

At least there's only about one KFC shop per 3 million people in Thailand.

 

That equates to about 50% of a KFC store in Auckland - which IMO is about 50% more of a store than ideal.

 

Edit - bloody hell - that's wrong, it's now about one KFC per 100,000 people in Thailand - about half as much as NZ.


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