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  #2057762 17-Jul-2018 14:34
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Batman: Is coke the drug of choice for the effluent?

 

That is either a very interesting typo or a very witty malapropism.

 

 





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  #2057776 17-Jul-2018 14:37
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Did I mean affluent?




Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.


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  #2057794 17-Jul-2018 14:47
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I don't know. Did you?

 

 





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  #2058480 18-Jul-2018 21:31
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So Elon Musk has now apologised for his comment. It's pretty inexcusable for him to have said that. Look at what happened to the founder of Pappa Johns in the US after he said what he said.

 

The problem is he has so much money that pretty much nothing will really hurt him by way of legal recourse. 

 

I acknowledge this is now wicked off topic. Sorry.


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  #2058544 19-Jul-2018 06:38
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networkn:

 

So Elon Musk has now apologised for his comment. It's pretty inexcusable for him to have said that. Look at what happened to the founder of Pappa Johns in the US after he said what he said.

 

The problem is he has so much money that pretty much nothing will really hurt him by way of legal recourse. 

 

I acknowledge this is now wicked off topic. Sorry.

 

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/105589457/elon-musk-apologises-for-his-comments-on-british-caver

 

I must have missed Unworth's comment. "& suggested I engage in a sexual act with the mini-sub," 

 

That does put another complexion on this issue. And is why Musk used a sexual response back. No excuse, but it seems Unsworth is Prat No.1 and Musk was silly enough, and angry enough to respond in kind. I wonder what most would do when targeted with Unsworth's comment in global media and news? 


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  #2058546 19-Jul-2018 07:05
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Unsworth shouldn't have made the comment but he is still a hero, not a prat IMHO.
He told Musk to "put his sub where it hurts" which is a coarse colloquialism, not a literal sexual suggestion. How many times have we heard the phrase "where the sun don't shine" and considered it sexual?
What Musk said in reply was literal and inexcusable.

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  #2058548 19-Jul-2018 07:14
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kryptonjohn: Unsworth shouldn't have made the comment but he is still a hero, not a prat IMHO.
He told Musk to "put his sub where it hurts" which is a coarse colloquialism, not a literal sexual suggestion. How many times have we heard the phrase "where the sun don't shine" and considered it sexual?
What Musk said in reply was literal and inexcusable.

 

Yes, he is a hero, and he is a prat. Seems to me he didn't want his parade being rained on. He was the instigator of gutter comments, and didn't want help. Did he say thanks, show me what you have, lets talk? Not from what I read. What Musk said was poor, but he wasn't the perpetrator. While everyone wants to bag Musk for offering help, he offered help. There was also the help to locate locations in the hill to drill for air, or rescue. So while there is no doubt an ego going on, there was real help offered, only to be castigated by an angry selfish hero. Thats my take


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  #2058597 19-Jul-2018 08:55
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Well, the boys have given an interview, which made for interesting reading. 

 

I was impressed that as a tribute to the diver who gave his life for them, they are entering the monkhood, and bestowing the merit to the Diver. Considered to be one of the greatest honours one person can give another.

 

 

 

I truly hope this ends up being true:

 

Chiang Rai's provincial governor Prachon Pratsukan added that it would be their "only official media interview", saying that there would "be no more speaking with the press after this".

 

 


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  #2058598 19-Jul-2018 08:57
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networkn:

 

Well, the boys have given an interview, which made for interesting reading. 

 

I was impressed that as a tribute to the diver who gave his life for them, they are entering the monkhood, and bestowing the merit to the Diver. Considered to be one of the greatest honours one person can give another.

 

 

 

I truly hope this ends up being true:

 

Chiang Rai's provincial governor Prachon Pratsukan added that it would be their "only official media interview", saying that there would "be no more speaking with the press after this".

 

 

 

 

I do too. It seems their culture is quite clean, not blackened by the West yet. Admirable.


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angry selfish hero

 

 

Wow.  It's unclear to me how any of the divers actions could on the whole be seen as selfish?

 

Most people would be irritable with the amount of physical work those guys have put in under stressful conditions.  The divers probably shouldn't have been allowed near the media. 

 

And what could be more irritating to people actually performing the actual rescue than an unqualified, self-aggrandising, walking-ego making an impractical suggestion?

 

 





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  #2058608 19-Jul-2018 09:08
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tdgeek:

 

kryptonjohn: Unsworth shouldn't have made the comment but he is still a hero, not a prat IMHO.
He told Musk to "put his sub where it hurts" which is a coarse colloquialism, not a literal sexual suggestion. How many times have we heard the phrase "where the sun don't shine" and considered it sexual?
What Musk said in reply was literal and inexcusable.

 

Yes, he is a hero, and he is a prat. Seems to me he didn't want his parade being rained on. He was the instigator of gutter comments, and didn't want help. Did he say thanks, show me what you have, lets talk? Not from what I read. What Musk said was poor, but he wasn't the perpetrator. While everyone wants to bag Musk for offering help, he offered help. There was also the help to locate locations in the hill to drill for air, or rescue. So while there is no doubt an ego going on, there was real help offered, only to be castigated by an angry selfish hero. Thats my take

 

 

The margins for this rescue were *razer* thin. If you are an expert and you are working to the tightest of deadlines and you have well meaning but ultimately uninformed people offering help that won't work etc, then I can understand the frustration.

 

From what I understand from my reading, Elon Musk was well intentioned but none of his ideas were practical. Anyone can offer help and resources, but what matters is that the people tasked with ultimate responsibilty need to make the decisions.

 

If Elon Musk can't cope with being told his idea isn't practical even in a less than pleasant manner without being adult enough to turn the other cheek, then for me that makes me respect him less. I think before he made those comments and acted like a spoiled brat, peoples opinions of him were on the rise, but now, much more on the drop.

 

Obviously, we don't know what was said to and from Elon inside the caves, to the divers, but I suspect these Seal types don't suffer even well meaning fools gladly, and would have seem him in a less than positive light if his ideas weren't practical.

 

Musks big win here, would have been to have made a big song and dance about the heros he met in the caves and how impressed he was with their efforts and professionalism, it would have reflected on him much better.

 

 


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  #2058620 19-Jul-2018 09:17
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angry selfish hero

 

 

Wow.  It's unclear to me how any of the divers actions could on the whole be seen as selfish?

 

Most people would be irritable with the amount of physical work those guys have put in under stressful conditions.  The divers probably shouldn't have been allowed near the media. 

 

And what could be more irritating to people actually performing the actual rescue than an unqualified, self-aggrandising, walking-ego making an impractical suggestion?

 

 

 

 

He is a hero, no doubt. And he is angry and selfish, his utterings show that. Musk has a short fuse. However, the diver was not a globally famous billionaire, he was a diver, yet his rabid temper allows him to use the insulation of the tragedy to start the gutter talk. He started it.

 

What if the comments were exactly reversed?  Musk would still get hammered, classic Tall Poppy Syndrome. Where the goings on arte put aside. objectivity put aside, and go after the rich boy. So all rich boys are wrong and all non rich boys are right


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  #2058624 19-Jul-2018 09:24
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The margins for this rescue were *razer* thin. If you are an expert and you are working to the tightest of deadlines and you have well meaning but ultimately uninformed people offering help that won't work etc, then I can understand the frustration. Telling someone to "put his sub where it hurts" is childish at the very least. If being a hero allows him to act as such, then its a sad world if that is tolerated, which it clearly is

 

 

 

From what I understand from my reading, Elon Musk was well intentioned but none of his ideas were practical. Anyone can offer help and resources, but what matters is that the people tasked with ultimate responsibilty need to make the decisions.

 

Fully agree. Thanks, appreciate that, but it won't work cos of this and cos of that. Or "put your sub where it hurts"

 

If Elon Musk can't cope with being told his idea isn't practical even in a less than pleasant manner without being adult enough to turn the other cheek, then for me that makes me respect him less. I think before he made those comments and acted like a spoiled brat, peoples opinions of him were on the rise, but now, much more on the drop.

 

Clearly, his response was poor, who started it??

 

Obviously, we don't know what was said to and from Elon inside the caves, to the divers, but I suspect these Seal types don't suffer even well meaning fools gladly, and would have seem him in a less than positive light if his ideas weren't practical.

 

Musks big win here, would have been to have made a big song and dance about the heros he met in the caves and how impressed he was with their efforts and professionalism, it would have reflected on him much better.

 

 

 

 

As I mentioned Tall Poppy Syndrome. The rich guy will always get hammnered, the non rich guy can do what he likes, hiding being the syndrome, and much more sadly, the tragedy that was occurring. Thats what bugs me


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  #2058630 19-Jul-2018 09:32
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I don't see it as TPS. I think if anyone publicly called the diver a pedo they'd get hammered. In fact the rich guy can get away with it because his money makes him legally invulnerable.

 

Musk acted like a big baby when nobody was interested in his sub. He couldn't let it go and kept going on about it until one of the divers got fed up to the point of telling him where to stick it. At that point Musk used his lofty platform to make possibly the most egregious smear possible about the diver.

 

His subsequent "apology" was slow in coming and seemed insincere and couched in self justification. I used to think Musk was a bit of a hero. No longer.

 

 

 

 


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  #2058632 19-Jul-2018 09:32
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I believe he would have been politely thanked and told to be on his way. I don't see this as tall poppy at all. I see this as Musk continuing to try and inject himself where he wasn't able to help, therefore being a hinderance, and where some people might have felt inclined to let it go, the diver took exception to it.

 

I know who I think is the hero and deserves more slack for off colour comments, it's the guy(s) who put on diving suits and went in to get those kids, risking their own lives.

 

One guy put his life on the line and saved 13 people, the other was a well intentioned person who didn't handle rejection of his ideas well and lashed out.

 

I'd suggest lots of (potentially rich and famous) people offered help and were rejected and you don't hear about that, which is how it should be.

 

Musk undid any good he was trying to do with his comments in my view.

 

 

 

 


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