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#2066348 1-Aug-2018 14:51

I did have more issues with this sort of thing in my flirtation with Windows 10 on the Surface Pro.

It was enough to send me back to Apple as I rarely have significant dramas with OSX on my iMac. Sometimes small ones but not that often.

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#2066352 1-Aug-2018 15:06

Geektastic:

I did have more issues with this sort of thing in my flirtation with Windows 10 on the Surface Pro.

It was enough to send me back to Apple as I rarely have significant dramas with OSX on my iMac. Sometimes small ones but not that often.

I tend to agree with this, MacOS has less issues on my iMac than I have with Windows 10 on other machines but, Apple are developing for a much smaller range of devices than MSFT so naturally they should be doing it better.

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#2066362 1-Aug-2018 15:12

Maybe. It's also more the case that users hardly need to tweak settings on macos, and partly less ability to do that on macos.

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#2066366 1-Aug-2018 15:25

gzt: Maybe. It's also more the case that users hardly need to tweak settings on macos, and partly less ability to do that on macos.

Hang on we can change the ...umm... change the ...... that's it the back ground and slider highlights. And, and (note the excitement) we can put the dock on the left, the right and on the bottom, and we can make it hide.

Seriously though I don't do a lot of customising of my iMac I just use it to get things done. I use my Linux machines to satisfy my meagre creative skills.

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#2066511 1-Aug-2018 19:08

MikeB4:

gzt: Maybe. It's also more the case that users hardly need to tweak settings on macos, and partly less ability to do that on macos.

Hang on we can change the ...umm... change the ...... that's it the back ground and slider highlights. And, and (note the excitement) we can put the dock on the left, the right and on the bottom, and we can make it hide.

Seriously though I don't do a lot of customising of my iMac I just use it to get things done. I use my Linux machines to satisfy my meagre creative skills.

There are two distinct use cases for computers; people who tinker with them as a hobby, and people who don't care how they work and just use them as a tool to get work done. Windows is clearly designed for the former, and MacOS/iOS is clearly designed for the latter.

Pick your poison.

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#2066578 1-Aug-2018 21:04

So, how's that central management of thousands of MacOS devices working out for you?

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#2066611 1-Aug-2018 22:19

I pretty much hate updates too and consider them the seed of evil.

I turned off Windows 10 updates by downloading this tool -

http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/2/2/f22d5fdb-59cd-4275-8c95-1be17bf70b21/wushowhide.diagcab

Then you have to run it and "hide" the updates you don't want installed. ("wushowhide" stands for 'windows update show hide").

eg, these were the instructions I followed to stop the installation of the Fall Update -

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Run the above tool.
Click the link marked Advanced and uncheck the box marked "Apply repairs automatically." Click Next.
Click the link to Hide Updates. Tick the checkbox marked "Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709," and click Next.
When you see the "Troubleshooting has completed" dialog, click close and 1709 will never bother you again.
You can run Disk Cleanup for System Files to remove any bits of it that may have already downloaded.

You may want to do this again when 1803 comes out to hide that too.

===========================================================================

It may be too late to stop that update for you if it is already installed, but you can follow the same procedure for any updates shown and yet to be installed.

You may also want to “Set as Metered Connection option” as per the instructions here -

https://www.nibbleng.com/easy-steps-to-stop-windows-10-spring-creators-update-on-pc/#

Anyway, it has worked for me (I think?), and Windows (for the most part) does not update. At least, I very seldom experience updates.

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#2066690 2-Aug-2018 08:25

alasta:

MikeB4:

gzt: Maybe. It's also more the case that users hardly need to tweak settings on macos, and partly less ability to do that on macos.

Hang on we can change the ...umm... change the ...... that's it the back ground and slider highlights. And, and (note the excitement) we can put the dock on the left, the right and on the bottom, and we can make it hide.

Seriously though I don't do a lot of customising of my iMac I just use it to get things done. I use my Linux machines to satisfy my meagre creative skills.

There are two distinct use cases for computers; people who tinker with them as a hobby, and people who don't care how they work and just use them as a tool to get work done. Windows is clearly designed for the former, and MacOS/iOS is clearly designed for the latter.

Pick your poison.

Probably the best description of the difference between using a Windows PC vs a Mac I have seen. Salute to you sir

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#2066707 2-Aug-2018 08:40

maoriboy:

alasta:

There are two distinct use cases for computers; people who tinker with them as a hobby, and people who don't care how they work and just use them as a tool to get work done. Windows is clearly designed for the former, and MacOS/iOS is clearly designed for the latter.

Pick your poison.

Probably the best description of the difference between using a Windows PC vs a Mac I have seen. Salute to you sir

Whereas I find it an absurd and useless reduction.

The only consistent difference between the Windows PC users and the Mac PC users that I know is that the Mac users spend more money on their hardware. There is no difference in terms of how much they tinker or whether they treat their computer as a tool to get work done.

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#2066728 2-Aug-2018 09:26

Hammerer:

Whereas I find it an absurd and useless reduction.

The only consistent difference between the Windows PC users and the Mac PC users that I know is that the Mac users spend more money on their hardware. There is no difference in terms of how much they tinker or whether they treat their computer as a tool to get work done.

Each to their own huh? I find (and this is purely a personal anecdote) that in my mixed environment household with Macbooks and Windows PC's this is pretty much what happens. Sure I get stuff done on my home built PC, but I find I have more scope to tinker and adjust stuff with it, whereas the macbook gets used by the wife to do her work on...no tinkering going on here. In terms of spending more on hardware, I guess the initial outlay on a Mac is relatively higher if you discount the Windows PC enthusiasts who upgrade their graphics cards/cpus etc on a regular basis.

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#2066734 2-Aug-2018 09:34

Hammerer:

maoriboy:

alasta:

There are two distinct use cases for computers; people who tinker with them as a hobby, and people who don't care how they work and just use them as a tool to get work done. Windows is clearly designed for the former, and MacOS/iOS is clearly designed for the latter.

Pick your poison.

Probably the best description of the difference between using a Windows PC vs a Mac I have seen. Salute to you sir

Whereas I find it an absurd and useless reduction.

The only consistent difference between the Windows PC users and the Mac PC users that I know is that the Mac users spend more money on their hardware. There is no difference in terms of how much they tinker or whether they treat their computer as a tool to get work done.

I would fundamentally disagree - I've (in the past) supported both and there are strong cases and examples where it's beneficial to pop a Mac on someone's desk in terms of the time looking after it... That can make up for the dearer capital investment pretty quickly...

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#2066766 2-Aug-2018 10:51

DaveDog:

I would fundamentally disagree - I've (in the past) supported both and there are strong cases and examples where it's beneficial to pop a Mac on someone's desk in terms of the time looking after it... That can make up for the dearer capital investment pretty quickly...

Trying to deal with anything Apple in a an enterprise environment is just asking for pain misery and suffering.

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#2066767 2-Aug-2018 10:53

Lias:

DaveDog:

I would fundamentally disagree - I've (in the past) supported both and there are strong cases and examples where it's beneficial to pop a Mac on someone's desk in terms of the time looking after it... That can make up for the dearer capital investment pretty quickly...

Trying to deal with anything Apple in a an enterprise environment is just asking for pain misery and suffering.

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#2066790 2-Aug-2018 11:52

DaveDog:

Hammerer:

maoriboy:

alasta:

There are two distinct use cases for computers; people who tinker with them as a hobby, and people who don't care how they work and just use them as a tool to get work done. Windows is clearly designed for the former, and MacOS/iOS is clearly designed for the latter.

Pick your poison.

Probably the best description of the difference between using a Windows PC vs a Mac I have seen. Salute to you sir

Whereas I find it an absurd and useless reduction.

The only consistent difference between the Windows PC users and the Mac PC users that I know is that the Mac users spend more money on their hardware. There is no difference in terms of how much they tinker or whether they treat their computer as a tool to get work done.

I would fundamentally disagree - I've (in the past) supported both and there are strong cases and examples where it's beneficial to pop a Mac on someone's desk in terms of the time looking after it... That can make up for the dearer capital investment pretty quickly...

We don't have any disagreement: get the best solution.

You've misinterpreted my response because I didn't even touch on the user case/justification for either platform. Nor did I say anything about higher spending on Apple hardware being a problem. I simply observed that the two user groups are only characteristically different in the amount of money they spend on their hardware; a characteristic which also extends to their mobile phones (Android versus Apple iOS) so it doesn't just relate to Windows.

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#2066794 2-Aug-2018 11:58

I am not a natural with computers and I personally struggle with productivity on my Windows machine at work. I often feel like I am fighting the machine to do some quite routine tasks.

Maybe it's just me. Different brains probably engage differently with particular UXes.

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