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DaveDog

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#2066802 2-Aug-2018 12:11

alasta:

I am not a natural with computers and I personally struggle with productivity on my Windows machine at work. I often feel like I am fighting the machine to do some quite routine tasks.

Maybe it's just me. Different brains probably engage differently with particular UXes.

This exactly...

We're far better to focus on what platform will deliver the best experience from the perspective of the users. Gone are the days (except for some specialist applications) that we should railroad anyone into any particular platform – let's focus on what platform is the most adoptable and productive for the user and organisation.

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#2066817 2-Aug-2018 12:36

To avoid issues such as this like you have with your updates, i prefer to use more cut-down options, or options that give me flex-ability.

I generally use windows for gaming now because well, its not worth the effort to get games running on linux. I used to do this years ago, but right now I do not have the time at all.

For Things like my TV & Xbox i just keep them up to date. Im not super pedantic about it, but as a developer more often than not updates make more improvements. (except for when it comes to things like Skype) which I have abandoned all together but sometimes log in with a web interface.

I use Linux for most other stuff, File Server, Storage, FTP, LEMP stack, development & database host. And I have been using Kodi.

As a general rule I do updates simply because its usually more beneficial. I try to find out how to edit and modify things properly if they are done correctly then you don't usually have them break when updates occur.

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#2066858 2-Aug-2018 14:24

"Great things never came from comfort zones"

Used to build my own Windows machines in the 90's early millennium but it always seemed like a car which had to go to the mechanic every week to just keep it running smoothly and safely. Switched to Apple and haven't looked back. It just runs 99.9% of the time and I am more productive.

Programs/App's on the other hand is another ball game. (even in the Apple world) Change for Change sake!!. Three big examples Firefox, macOS Photos and then there is Skype (what a train wreak). Loved the old very much customisable/tinklable Firefox. Though I have mostly managed to customise, with some serious effort, the new Firefox to my liking. The new Photos is getting there slowly but anything serious I use Pixelmator.

Apple lead the way in forcing changes that we all moaned and lamented about; e.g. remember the floppy disk, DVD slot, phone headphone jack, soon bye bye to wired charging.

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Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2066867 2-Aug-2018 14:45

Imagine the epic rant if same occurred attempting to update osx same vintage as Windows 7 - snow leopard last updated 2014..

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#2067182 2-Aug-2018 22:16

Hammerer:

The only consistent difference between the Windows PC users and the Mac PC users that I know is that the Mac users spend more money on their hardware.

If you do a comparison like for like between a sparkling new MacBook and a known brand laptop when the MacBook is released, its seldom a lot more expensive.

Can you get cheaper hardware that you run Windows/Linux on? Sure, but then its lower specs than what you would get with a Mac.

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#2067193 3-Aug-2018 00:03

jarledb:

Hammerer:

The only consistent difference between the Windows PC users and the Mac PC users that I know is that the Mac users spend more money on their hardware.

If you do a comparison like for like between a sparkling new MacBook and a known brand laptop when the MacBook is released, its seldom a lot more expensive.

Can you get cheaper hardware that you run Windows/Linux on? Sure, but then its lower specs than what you would get with a Mac.

I don't entirely disagree with both points although you're loading the comparison in Apple's favour if you only do it at the start of each MacBook product cycle.

But neither point is talking about what I said: "The only consistent difference between the ... users is that the Mac users spend more money on their hardware." Money spent on hardware is the only consistent difference that I have observed since the Lisa came out in the mid 80s. Even then, it could be argued that there were premium and exclusive features that made it worth the additional price, e.g. the GUI head start, Motorola CPUs (with a flat address space) were easier to programme , PostScript support, and so on.

I'm not comparing quality, fitness for purpose, design, specs, documention, support or anything else except the money paid. Nor is it a negative judgement on any user's IT skills, intelligence, wealth or lack of it, geekiness, trendiness, flair, economy, frugality, ecological credentials, productivity, modernity, fanaticism (but is there some cabal that objects to any perceived slight of Macs?) or whatever.

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#2067208 3-Aug-2018 00:40

Hammerer:

I don't entirely disagree with both points although you're loading the comparison in Apple's favour if you only do it at the start of each MacBook product cycle.

But thats the only way you can do a proper price comparison, because Apple does not change the price of their products through the sales period of the product.

There are sales on Apple computers though, so sometimes in the end of the life cycle you might be able to get a cheaper price than what Apple set as the retail price. (Although the only deal you will get on Apples own site is refurbished machines, but not sure how common that is in NZ).

They can do that since they are the only one making computers with OS-X (for sale), if Microsoft was the only producer of computers with Windows on them, I am sure they would have been doing something similar.

But neither point is talking about what I said: "The only consistent difference between the ... users is that the Mac users spend more money on their hardware." Money spent on hardware is the only consistent difference that I have observed since the Lisa came out in the mid 80s.

Thats not necessarily true. I know a lot of people thats not well off but that use Apple computers. They don't buy them brand sparking new, and for them there is value both in the hardware and in the operating system, and in the software available for Macs.

For those of us that can afford to buy new hardware, I think we keep the hardware longer than we would with computers from other manufacturers. My main computer is 4 years old now, and I don't think I will be swapping that out in the next few years.

My portable computer is a Macbook Air 2015 model, and thats not going to be swapped out anytime soon either.

Even then, it could be argued that there were premium and exclusive features that made it worth the additional price, e.g. the GUI head start, Motorola CPUs (with a flat address space) were easier to programme , PostScript support, and so on.

I never got an Apple computer in the beginning (including the early Machintoshes), I only got onboard around 2008 after Apple had switched to Intel.

My computer life started around 1983 with a BBC machine, after that I have used the first IBM PCs that was released and then on to Amiga computers.

I started using Windows machines at the start of the 90s and have built quite a few machines since then. But switched to only Apple computers around 2010. My experience is that I have to fiddle a lot less with the computers I have today from Apple than what I was used to in the 20 years I had to deal with PCs.

I'm not comparing quality, fitness for purpose, design, specs, documention, support or anything else except the money paid. Nor is it a negative judgement on any user's IT skills, intelligence, wealth or lack of it, geekiness, trendiness, flair, economy, frugality, ecological credentials, productivity, modernity, fanaticism (but is there some cabal that objects to any perceived slight of Macs?) or whatever.

Not sure where you are going with that?

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