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  Reply # 2070546 9-Aug-2018 10:54
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... and if that doesn't work out, @MikeAqua has a high benefits job for you in sunny Nelson washing his boat! :-D

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 2070548 9-Aug-2018 11:04
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... and if that doesn't work out, @MikeAqua has a high benefits job for you in sunny Nelson washing his boat! :-D

 

 

 

 

 



 

 

 

I've already got a 15M long 6M wide 3 storey power-cat to repaint in 2 weeks, turbo charge and extend the hulls on...





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  Reply # 2070549 9-Aug-2018 11:11
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My cost of living has gone up living in AKL, gas is more expensive, I am paying a little bit more rent and some food has also gone up in price..

 

 

At the risk of sounding a little cold, how is this your employers issue? Your pay should be based on your performance and output within the company. IE your value. If you are providing additional value then if the company is in a position to provide it, you should in theory get a payrise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I feel it is their issue because I am bending myself over backwards to serve them, I am dealing with undue stress and workloads each day while performing as well as I can. I have endured expense increases and loss of my bottom line. 

I won't try and shift this thread to "these guys work us to the bone and treat us like crap" but if this PR doesn't go through it will be an evident case of that.





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  Reply # 2070551 9-Aug-2018 11:14
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Whenever I see businesses with stressed staff working long hours as a matter of routine, I see a business with a failure of management. Working like this is bad for the staff and bad for the business and those businesses are never in my experience, good investments. 


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  Reply # 2070566 9-Aug-2018 11:40
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networkn:

 

Coil:

 

 

 

My cost of living has gone up living in AKL, gas is more expensive, I am paying a little bit more rent and some food has also gone up in price..

 

 

At the risk of sounding a little cold, how is this your employers issue? Your pay should be based on your performance and output within the company. IE your value. If you are providing additional value then if the company is in a position to provide it, you should in theory get a payrise.

 

 

 

 

This is the issue, it does matter.  Wages need to be treated like any other cost that business has.  If my costs have gone up then why can't i pass those costs on?

 

If a cost to business has gone up then they pass that on, why can't employees do the same?

 

There are to many companies that won't do a thing until people kick up about pay rates or are very slow to match market rates.  You often find new staff members get paid more than someone that has done the same job for 5 - 10 years as the average pay increase at the company does not keep up with market rates.

 

I often tell people the best way to get a pay increase of 10 - 20k more is to jump to another company.


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  Reply # 2070590 9-Aug-2018 12:15
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Coil:

 

The company did report a loss last year and also removed all forms of staff bonus. So the bonus for the first full year I worked was written off half way into it...

 

 

Whilst it's worth keeping the above in mind, you are NOT required to subsidise the company's poor performance out of your own pocket. And the more you do so, the more the company will rely on that as a stop-gap.

 

If you love your job, then it's probably worth making a financial sacrifice to help keep it going. If, as you say, you'ld rather do almost anything else, then insist on being paid what you're worth. If they won't/can't do that, get your CV up to date. In fact, it strengthens your bargaining position immeasurably if you already have another job lined up. You can then dictate terms to them on a take-it-or-I-leave basis. Given their poor performance, I'd include generous automatic annual increments.

 

For the future, you want the company's inadequate HR performance, at least in your department, to be visible and addressed. A letter to the CEO explaining your position and how it has come about might be an option. Who knows, the inadeqaute HR might be a contributing factor to the poor bottom line.

 

 


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  Reply # 2070666 9-Aug-2018 13:16
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... and if that doesn't work out, @MikeAqua has a high benefits job for you in sunny Nelson washing his boat! :-D

 

 

Washing a boat - how does that work?

 

 





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  Reply # 2070667 9-Aug-2018 13:18
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I often tell people the best way to get a pay increase of 10 - 20k more is to jump to another company.

 

 

You never have more negotiation power than when you are negotiating your starting salary.





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  Reply # 2070673 9-Aug-2018 13:22
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kryptonjohn:

 

... and if that doesn't work out, @MikeAqua has a high benefits job for you in sunny Nelson washing his boat! :-D

 

 

Washing a boat - how does that work?

 

 

It's like driving the boat really fast, only the boat stands still and the water moves....




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  Reply # 2070691 9-Aug-2018 13:57
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Little update here.
The HR team will be back in touch early next week with a response. Which i hope will be to the tune of a meeting and a review.
I also have some possible ammo against them if they decline. In my contract it says there WILL be a review and that I also have my "First objectives" laid out in the contract that the review is based upon and those objectives. Personally I have met comprehensively. So effectively if they say no they are breaching my contract unless they can prove that I did not meet them or have valid grounds to decline, That then raises the option to have it backdated as well. I hear back next Wednesday with the next steps. 

Cheers

 

 





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  Reply # 2070708 9-Aug-2018 14:08
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Coil:

 

Little update here.
The HR team will be back in touch early next week with a response. Which i hope will be to the tune of a meeting and a review.
I also have some possible ammo against them if they decline. In my contract it says there WILL be a review and that I also have my "First objectives" laid out in the contract that the review is based upon and those objectives. Personally I have met comprehensively. So effectively if they say no they are breaching my contract unless they can prove that I did not meet them or have valid grounds to decline, That then raises the option to have it backdated as well. I hear back next Wednesday with the next steps. 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

Good news. Remember its a review. Hopefully that review will give a pay rise, but its just a review. You may deserve it, you know that they know that but maybe they cant afford it or just a teeny one. When they say the word "challenges" you know where that will be going.


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  Reply # 2070712 9-Aug-2018 14:12
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It's like driving the boat really fast, only the boat stands still and the water moves....

 

 

Oh I see, you mean like driving it on a lake.  It gets a lake run every ~15 engine hours.





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  Reply # 2070715 9-Aug-2018 14:20
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Coil:

 

Little update here.
The HR team will be back in touch early next week with a response. Which i hope will be to the tune of a meeting and a review.
I also have some possible ammo against them if they decline. In my contract it says there WILL be a review and that I also have my "First objectives" laid out in the contract that the review is based upon and those objectives. Personally I have met comprehensively. So effectively if they say no they are breaching my contract unless they can prove that I did not meet them or have valid grounds to decline, That then raises the option to have it backdated as well. I hear back next Wednesday with the next steps. 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

Good news. Remember its a review. Hopefully that review will give a pay rise, but its just a review. You may deserve it, you know that they know that but maybe they cant afford it or just a teeny one. When they say the word "challenges" you know where that will be going.

 

 

Yeah I agree with the review things. But if someone gave you a piece of paper with their and your own signature on it saying you WILL have a review on these intervals and these are the things you must meet to be eligible for review. If they were met (Which they were) do they have grounds to decline other than the company cannot afford it? Like they cannot (Retrospectively) say that I was not performing or anything because I was. If they pull the can't afford it option then I suppose that gives me no option but to smile and wave...





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  Reply # 2070812 9-Aug-2018 16:22
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Coil:

 

Yeah I agree with the review things. But if someone gave you a piece of paper with their and your own signature on it saying you WILL have a review on these intervals and these are the things you must meet to be eligible for review. If they were met (Which they were) do they have grounds to decline other than the company cannot afford it? Like they cannot (Retrospectively) say that I was not performing or anything because I was. If they pull the can't afford it option then I suppose that gives me no option but to smile and wave...

 

 

Are you saying your contract stipulates that if you have reached certain targets you WILL get a pay increase at those dates? You can be the best employee in the world, but I would think it highly unusual if they were contractually obligated to give you an increase.

 

IANAL, however it certainly seems they have failed their contractual obligation to give you reviews at the appropriate times, but I really don't see that you have any "ammo" for anything except to get a review done now.

 

It could be used to argue that some of any increase should be backdated, but that works on the assumption that you would have actually received a pay increase had the required reviews taken place. They can surely just say "we wouldn't have been able to offer you a pay increase previously even if the reviews had happened".

 

EDIT: I was once interviewing for a job where the salary was a little lower than I wanted, but it was to be reviewed after 6 months. I asked if, assuming I performed well, I could reasonably expect an increase at that review. I was told it would be unlikely. I appreciated the honesty, but passed on the job.


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Remember, Pay review ≠ Pay rise. 

 

A review could simply mean the company reviews what they're paying you and decides that your current pay is still suitable for the position.

 

In my experience any significant pay rises only come from change of position either internal to your company or somewhere external. The latter typically brings the larger pay rise due to jumping up to market rate.


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