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  Reply # 2071492 10-Aug-2018 19:18
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JimmyH:

 

The policy is silly, in my opinion. A bit of cheap grandstanding by politicians who want to look like they are doing something.

 

It's not clear that the single use bags were less environmentally friendly than the reusable ones, it depends on how many times those are re-used. And on the environmental impact of washing/cleaning them, otherwise I suspect they will get unsanitary quite fast.

 

From my perspective it will probably push up my use of plastic. The bags are quite light and I used to re-use them as bin liners. Now I will have to buy the glad bin-liners. Which are a heavier grade and contain more grams of plastic per bag, and will only be used once.

 

It's also a PITA. Maybe OK for regular weekend shops where you plan the shop and take the bags with you in the car. But a fair number of my shops consist of nipping into the Wellington Railway Station New World, or the Countdown on Lambton Quay, on my way home. Generally an unplanned trip because we are out of something or my other half has asked me to get something on the way home. I won't have reusable bags on me, so I guess I will just have to buy a heavy reusable bag each time. And toss a few as they pile up at home after 1 or 2 uses. Again, vastly more plastic to the landfill than the flimsy disposable ones.

 

All in all a policy that sounds good, but on closer analysis probably isn't.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, but for the small minority like you suggesting greater plastic use, the vast majority will be using less.

 

And as to it being a PITA, first world problem (cue world's smallest violin).

 

I carry a cotton bag with me daily. It compresses better than plastic and takes up no space or weight at all on my daily trip to work. The world changes, you'll get used to it.


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  Reply # 2071497 10-Aug-2018 19:47
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I posted this before.  Looks like the petrochemical corporate have been successful.

 

The whole plastic bag thing is a genius piece of marketing by the petrochemical multinationals. Get greenies, for free, to campaign against 5 gram plastic bags in favor of 50 gram plastic bags.  Then, sell the public 10 gram ultra tough bin liners.  Then, get the greenies to introduce legislation to force everybody to comply.  Brilliant!

 

 

About 3 months down the line here, using about 6 non-woven reusable bags - all of which are still fine.

 

At an approximation, I would have used at least 120 single use bags over that time-frame.  They're useless as bin liners anyway - they leak so you've still got to rinse the bin.  Most of them I chucked in the "recycle" bin - but they probably were probably all dumped to landfill.

 

I call BS on your version of events, I'll also call BS on conspiracy theory part - that the "petrochemical corporates" have been successful.  That's delusional - and so typical these days - a bizarre conspiracy theory is out there to counter anything some people don't like.

 

 

You can use "single use" bags multiple times, at least 4 times on average. 6 bags x 1 shop per week / 4 times each = 18 bags (not 120). Your 6 heavy weight plastic bags (call them what they are and stop green washing things) are equivalent to 60 light weight plastic bags.  You have a long way to go before you have stopped harming the environment and break even.  

 

I call BS on this new law.  If you want to use harmful heavy weight plastic, that is your decision, but you should not force me to damage the environment as well.  


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2071499 10-Aug-2018 19:53
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Who decided we could only use them once?

 

We have loads that get re-used several times at least.

 

 

 

Additionally the plastic in the bags probably pales into significance in comparison to the packaging the food you'll be putting in them comes with!






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  Reply # 2071501 10-Aug-2018 20:01
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debo:

 

You can use "single use" bags multiple times, at least 4 times on average.

 

 

You could, but as I do all our grocery shopping and have done so for at least 20 years, I can assure you that I've never seen one single person arrive at the supermarket with a bundle of used "single-use" bags to get their groceries packed in.  Some "greenies" would bring their own bags - but not old single use bags.  There may be some random outliers that do what you suggest can be done, but I've never seen it with my own eyes.

 

I suspect you're getting wound up with anti-greenie sentiment.  I suggest you stop now.


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  Reply # 2071503 10-Aug-2018 20:06
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Geektastic:

 

Additionally the plastic in the bags probably pales into significance in comparison to the packaging the food you'll be putting in them comes with!

 

 

Yes I agree completely.

 

So should we do nothing at all because it really doesn't matter - or make a start - even if it's just low hanging fruit?


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  Reply # 2071505 10-Aug-2018 20:09
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Geektastic:

 

Who decided we could only use them once?

 

We have loads that get re-used several times at least.

 

 

 

Additionally the plastic in the bags probably pales into significance in comparison to the packaging the food you'll be putting in them comes with!

 

 

All the plastic used pales in comparison to all the fossil fuel used to drive to the supermarket to begin with. I would guess there is about 100:1 more dead dinos pumped into the air than holding your groceries.  If people actually care about the environment they would do monthly shopping instead of weekly.


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  Reply # 2071507 10-Aug-2018 20:15
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I suspect you're getting wound up with anti-greenie sentiment.  I suggest you stop now.

 

 

Too right!   Greenies calling themselves environmentalists is like the American military calling themselves peace keepers.  There is no planet B and I have no shame trying to protect the only planet we have.


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  Reply # 2071508 10-Aug-2018 20:16
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debo:

 

All the plastic used pales in comparison to all the fossil fuel used to drive to the supermarket to begin with. I would guess there is about 100:1 more dead dinos pumped into the air than holding your groceries.  If people actually care about the environment they would do monthly shopping instead of weekly.

 

 

The argument about environmental harm from plastic isn't about CO2 or fossil fuel reserve depletion.


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  Reply # 2071509 10-Aug-2018 20:19
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Fred99:

 

I suspect you're getting wound up with anti-greenie sentiment.  I suggest you stop now.

 

 

Too right!   Greenies calling themselves environmentalists is like the American military calling themselves peace keepers.  There is no planet B and I have no shame trying to protect the only planet we have.

 

 

What?  You want to be a cadet on space force?  First you'll need a "green" card.


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  Reply # 2071515 10-Aug-2018 20:31
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The argument about environmental harm from plastic isn't about CO2 or fossil fuel reserve depletion.

 

 

The argument is about saving the planet the best way we can.   Taking 1 step forward and 100 backwards does more harm than good. 

 

As for plastic,  the main harm done, in my opinion, is the "oceans" issue.  Unfortunately,  you greenies have now banned degradable light weight plastic.  The heavy weight plastic bags you are "saving" the environment with will float around the oceans for decades.

 

  If I had the power, I would do the opposite and ban all non-degradable plastic including all the other plastic used in supermarkets. 


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  Reply # 2071517 10-Aug-2018 20:47
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Isn't global warming caused by taking the carbon out of the ground and putting it in the environment so by using a single use plastic bag as a bin liner you are locking the carbon away for a long time in the ground from where it came? So shouldn't we care more about making sure all the plastic goes to landfill rather then banning the use of something so helpful and carbon friendly?

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  Reply # 2071518 10-Aug-2018 20:53
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debo:

 

The argument is about saving the planet the best way we can...

 

...Unfortunately,  you greenies have...

 

 

Wow.  When I've got my head around someone talking about saving the planet, then in the same paragraph referring to "greenies" in the pejorative. I'll think about a reply.  But naah - probably not.  I can't be bothered.  It's not that hard - you're making it so.  I'm 100% sure that my use of one-use bags has declined significantly over the past 3 months, and that benefit (however small it may be in terms of the big picture) is better than nothing. 

 

 


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  Reply # 2071520 10-Aug-2018 20:55
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The ban is a start, a lot more bans are required. I don't understand why attempts to save our only viable home is met with such anger and BS it's an illogical attitude.





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  Reply # 2071522 10-Aug-2018 20:57
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Fred99:

 

Geektastic:

 

Additionally the plastic in the bags probably pales into significance in comparison to the packaging the food you'll be putting in them comes with!

 

 

Yes I agree completely.

 

So should we do nothing at all because it really doesn't matter - or make a start - even if it's just low hanging fruit?

 

 

The Government should get on and sort out plastic recycling first as it is getting very serious. Secondly, they should look at reducing the amount of plastic used in packaging, and then assist the farming community find a way to recycle the massive amount of plastic it uses for bailing silage. Then it could worry about plastic bags. Oh wait....arent the supermarkets taking care of this on their own?


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  Reply # 2071524 10-Aug-2018 20:59
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Username1: Isn't global warming caused by taking the carbon out of the ground and putting it in the environment so by using a single use plastic bag as a bin liner you are locking the carbon away for a long time in the ground from where it came? So shouldn't we care more about making sure all the plastic goes to landfill rather then banning the use of something so helpful and carbon friendly?

 

It's not referred to as "global warming" but "climate change", anthropogenic - or not if you're part of a tiny minority.

 

The one-use plastic bag issue isn't about climate change.  Climate change isn't the only issue about a sustainable future for mankind on earth.

 

 


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