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  # 2238335 15-May-2019 13:08
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robjg63:

 

I really wish they would put the National Party spokesman (Mike Hosking) behind their paywall.

 

 

 

 

If only the wall could be high enough to hide him completely...





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  # 2238341 15-May-2019 13:24
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The issue I have at this point is... The free stuff is so rubbish in places, it feels nigh impossible to believe they are switching between the rubbish there and the premium being considerably better. 

 

Apparently, the other day they had an article about a give a little page set up by a mother of three kids dying of prostate cancer.

 

I didn't see it myself, but honestly, I don't doubt it was there and do they have two divisions now? The premium reporters who were previously writing fairly average content because they were underpaid, who are now happier and writing top notch content, and the others?

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2238362 15-May-2019 13:46
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Sorry, haven't read the whole thread...

 

Has anyone reported already that the paid content is actually being delivered to the browser and actually loaded up and hidden by cheap css tricks?

 

Still crap content so doesn't change much but I would have thought they had enough money to pay proper developers to implent their  pay (rice paper) wall


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  # 2238364 15-May-2019 13:52
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Sorry, haven't read the whole thread...

 

Has anyone reported already that the paid content is actually being delivered to the browser and actually loaded up and hidden by cheap css tricks?

 

Still crap content so doesn't change much but I would have thought they had enough money to pay proper developers to implent their  pay (rice paper) wall

 

 

Yes.





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  # 2238365 15-May-2019 13:53
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Since they've been largely publishing cat up a tree level rubbish for as long as I can remember, I can't imagine they've suddenly employed competent journalists and become a real news paper overnight all for $2/week.....!





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  # 2238382 15-May-2019 14:16
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I believe that people should pay more to indulge in pursuits that may harm themselves and others.  Thus, I'd like NZME to consider an inverse paywall in which honest and more factual material is free to all citizens, and the premium (well, might have to change that name) content behind a paywall is the rest of the half-true and false newstainment.  And the National Party Moaner.





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  # 2238388 15-May-2019 14:29
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I have browsed some of the paywall content over a period of time and some of it might be considered payworthy, depending on your criteria, but a lot of other stuff seems no different, and certainly no better. The original 'wall' was so poorly implemented that a minor HTML edit was enough to kill it. I can't speak about the management or editorial staff as a whole, but whoever signed off on this 'protection' is an unmitigated idiot. It generated so much derisive commentary that they had to fix it after one day. The 'fix' is no better. The same day there was a counter-fix to bypass it and that has remained unchanged.

 

I have noticed something else that bothers me more, though. Full subscribers to some regional papers get free access to the paywall. I am one of those, though I haven't bothered activating it since the content is so easy to access anyway. Also, I have never liked the Herald at any price. But I like our little regional newspaper and it is one of the few left. It is the only one left for our region. But over the past week or so, editorials from our own local editor have been getting replaced by NZME ones from other sources, or even by opinion pieces from the Herald's right wing commentators. This alarms me and I wonder what is going on. I fear our local paper may be turning into a Herald Mini-Me, just as another regional paper got swallowed by ours. I have written to the editor complaining about this. I wonder what lame excuse they will come up with. I have no doubt it is just a cost-cutting exercise and they are hoping no-one will notice.

 

   





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  # 2238391 15-May-2019 14:33
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Geektastic: Since they've been largely publishing cat up a tree level rubbish for as long as I can remember, I can't imagine they've suddenly employed competent journalists and become a real news paper overnight all for $2/week.....!

 

You must be reading my mind. Sorry about that.





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  # 2238398 15-May-2019 14:49
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Man, this thread is great example of the echo chamber effect...

 

Piling on with examples of cr@p content that sits behind the paywall doesn't prove that ALL of NZH's premium content is cr@p, which is certainly the direct inference many posters are making.

 

I'm not an apologist for the Herald, but I do feel the need to rant against the machine of popular opinion dominating this thread (and on GZ, generally, whenever the topic goes near the quality of NZ media). This is symptomatic of a world where it's so common to have conversations in polarised black and white, as opposed to taking the time and effort to see that it is much more nuanced.

 

The NZH website and app is an abomination - I think that's something all of us can agree on.

 

The biggest sin, after their ever-increasing use of clickbait, is that they seemingly deliberately hide (or at least make it incredibly difficult to find) the decent, quality, in-depth journalism and opinion pieces that (some of) the paper's writers produce. (As I've mentioned previously, this is far easier to find in the physical or e-version of the newspaper.) So they are, to a great degree, responsible for the impression that there's nothing of quality.

 

That they haven't been willing/able to fix this prior to or after the implementation of the paywall is simply idiotic and, if this is a contributory reason for the ridicule they are facing, again they need to take responsibility for this. I'd also agree it looks like they've got a long way to go to work out what content does indeed deserve the 'premium' title, and also the ratio of premium/free content.

 

But it is drawing a long bow to tar all NZH content with the same brush (to mix my metaphors!). As an example, Gavin Ellis was talking yesterday of a series by an NZH journalist on concussion in sport, which is sitting behind the paywall; the potential ramifications of that for thousands of NZ kids are significant (he suggested that it potentially should be made public at some point, given its importance).

 

In the same interview Ellis mentioned the proportion of media sites that are actively looking at (or already have) a paywall, which I found surprisingly high. My personal sense is that NZH chose the wrong option here, and may have also set their price wrong, especially given the other acknowledged issues (perhaps they'd have had better to have gone with 'x number of free articles' approach, or the Guardian approach of soliciting for donations (which, I recall reading somewhere, has recently been working well, and has improved the state of their coffers).

 

Anyway, for those interested in something more than interviewing their own keyboard, here's a link to the Ellis interview; in it he also talks a bit more on the impact the paywall appears to have had on site traffic (and the potentially corresponding increase to Stuff traffic):

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018694974/emailed-news-digests-and-paywalls


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  # 2238399 15-May-2019 14:52
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Oh, and one other thing - in that interview Ellis talks up the very daily news digest I've recommended on other threads - The Bulletin produced by The Spinoff.

 

I get that The Spinoff's spin (see what I did there?) on things isn't everyone's cup of tea, but this isn't like that at all - it's an excellent daily round-up of (and links to) key stories/articles/opinion pieces etc with some useful commentary to bind it together; TBH, between this, Newsroom's daily and Noted's twice-weekly(?) digests, there's more than enough quality content to read to not even worry about the Herald!

 

Here's a link to subscribe to The Bulletin - if you're a news junkie I recommend you try it for a week or two, if you haven't already:

 

https://thespinoff.co.nz/the-spinoff-bulletin/


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  # 2238405 15-May-2019 14:58
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jonathan18:

 

Man, this thread is great example of the echo chamber effect...

 

Piling on with examples of cr@p content that sits behind the paywall doesn't prove that ALL of NZH's premium content is cr@p, which is certainly the direct inference many posters are making.

 

I'm not an apologist for the Herald, but I do feel the need to rant against the machine of popular opinion dominating this thread (and on GZ, generally, whenever the topic goes near the quality of NZ media). This is symptomatic of a world where it's so common to have conversations in polarised black and white, as opposed to taking the time and effort to see that it is much more nuanced.

 

The NZH website and app is an abomination - I think that's something all of us can agree on.

 

The biggest sin, after their ever-increasing use of clickbait, is that they seemingly deliberately hide (or at least make it incredibly difficult to find) the decent, quality, in-depth journalism and opinion pieces that (some of) the paper's writers produce. (As I've mentioned previously, this is far easier to find in the physical or e-version of the newspaper.) So they are, to a great degree, responsible for the impression that there's nothing of quality.

 

That they haven't been willing/able to fix this prior to or after the implementation of the paywall is simply idiotic and, if this is a contributory reason for the ridicule they are facing, again they need to take responsibility for this. I'd also agree it looks like they've got a long way to go to work out what content does indeed deserve the 'premium' title, and also the ratio of premium/free content.

 

But it is drawing a long bow to tar all NZH content with the same brush (to mix my metaphors!). As an example, Gavin Ellis was talking yesterday of a series by an NZH journalist on concussion in sport, which is sitting behind the paywall; the potential ramifications of that for thousands of NZ kids are significant (he suggested that it potentially should be made public at some point, given its importance).

 

In the same interview Ellis mentioned the proportion of media sites that are actively looking at (or already have) a paywall, which I found surprisingly high. My personal sense is that NZH chose the wrong option here, and may have also set their price wrong, especially given the other acknowledged issues (perhaps they'd have had better to have gone with 'x number of free articles' approach, or the Guardian approach of soliciting for donations (which, I recall reading somewhere, has recently been working well, and has improved the state of their coffers).

 

Anyway, for those interested in something more than interviewing their own keyboard, here's a link to the Ellis interview; in it he also talks a bit more on the impact the paywall appears to have had on site traffic (and the potentially corresponding increase to Stuff traffic):

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018694974/emailed-news-digests-and-paywalls

 

 

 

 

You have started with a particular stance and then spent the rest of the time pretty much arguing in support of the stance that many of us take to the content and it's delivery.

 

Of course not everything is rubbish, but a lot of it is, and as you said, it's hard to find the good stuff, and people are busy and don't want to dig around in the hope they get the odd gem.

 

 


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  # 2238412 15-May-2019 15:23
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jonathan18:

Oh, and one other thing - in that interview Ellis talks up the very daily news digest I've recommended on other threads - The Bulletin produced by The Spinoff.

 

I get that The Spinoff's spin (see what I did there?) on things isn't everyone's cup of tea, but this isn't like that at all - it's an excellent daily round-up of (and links to) key stories/articles/opinion pieces etc with some useful commentary to bind it together; TBH, between this, Newsroom's daily and Noted's twice-weekly(?) digests, there's more than enough quality content to read to not even worry about the Herald!

 

Here's a link to subscribe to The Bulletin - if you're a news junkie I recommend you try it for a week or two, if you haven't already:

 

https://thespinoff.co.nz/the-spinoff-bulletin/

 

 

I've been a Bulletin subscriber since day 1. Highly recommended.




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  # 2238914 16-May-2019 10:46
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rogercruse:

 

quickymart:...is it worth it?...

 

Surprisingly easy process to get an existing print subscription upgraded to provide online access to premium content. 

 

I now paid a few cents more and can continue to read world / local news from a kiwi perspective.

 

I also subscribe to a couple of other news services as I want choice in my news sources. For instance, Geekzone!     

 

 

 

 

I keep seeing posts about a 70 cents per day charge to access the premium content at The Herald.... and I wondered if people were having trouble doing the maths?

 

While we get the print copies delivered on Saturday and Sunday (my wife does the crossword and I wrap up the vegetables peelings for the worm bin), our additional cost for the digital access is only an additional $2 per week ... or less than 29 cents each day.

 

Or have I discovered a weakness in their pricing?


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  # 2238930 16-May-2019 10:54
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rogercruse:

 

I keep seeing posts about a 70 cents per day charge to access the premium content at The Herald.... and I wondered if people were having trouble doing the maths?

 

 

$5 a week for those of us who only subscribe to the digital edition and don't subscribe to the paper edition.


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rogercruse: I keep seeing posts about a 70 cents per day charge to access the premium content at The Herald.... and I wondered if people were having trouble doing the maths? While we get the print copies delivered on Saturday and Sunday (my wife does the crossword and I wrap up the vegetables peelings for the worm bin), our additional cost for the digital access is only an additional $2 per week ... or less than 29 cents each day.

I did the math. I don't have enough vegetable peelings to justify the purchase of that much newspaper.

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