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Topic # 240499 11-Sep-2018 10:51
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I have a quick question, I have been suggested by family to attend a landmark forum. 
Has anyone here been on it and what have you got to say regarding it? The family have already said it is a little cultish so you got to see past that part but can be very rewarding for some.
If you'd like to share via PM then please do as I understand this can be something people want to share but keep confidential.

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  Reply # 2087374 11-Sep-2018 10:55
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I know a couple of people who attended about 10 years ago, and yes the feedback was it was a bit cultish, and they were a bit "on the bandwagon" for a while afterwards until they came back down to reality.  

 

IMO I think there are likely many more generic courses out there that deliver the same outcome without the weirdness.


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  Reply # 2087421 11-Sep-2018 11:19
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My father apparently thought he had something missing in his life and he went on it about 20+ years ago. Because it works a bit like pyramid-selling to get further people to attend (the people just finishing are pressured to find the next intake) he put me under a lot of pressure to do it - so I did.

I thought it was a load of crap and I didn’t enjoy it and didn’t get anything out of it. It didn’t generate any changes in my life. People who do have something missing in their lives might get value from it but IMO that wasn’t me. My Dad didn’t really get anything out of it either.

Coincidentally, one of my closest and longest friend’s wife has been heavily involved in this for decades as a paid organiser/employee (she was initially an attendee who drank the Kool-Aid). She too is an old friend but she knows my views and we have just agreed to disagree and it’s never discussed between her and me - but occasionally I discuss it briefly with my mate.

Remember this is a money-making enterprise - not a charity. Not too different from some religious denominations. The syndicate in the US who effectively own it are very wealthy.

Disclosure: I am a born sceptic and cynic.

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  Reply # 2087484 11-Sep-2018 13:11
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You might find this interesting:

 

http://www.cults.co.nz/l.php#landmark

 

 




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  Reply # 2087493 11-Sep-2018 13:36
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Interesting from what you guys have said, I was pre warned about the cult like attitudes or behavior there and I can look past it. Will consider it however. Would be curious as to who has actually been on one in recent years. 

I don't subdue to pyramid schemes or pressure from others to do something for them so if they push me in the wrong direction I will not stand for it and make sure they know that.





 


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  Reply # 2087507 11-Sep-2018 13:48
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I've never heard of it. So, darn - now I have to spend some time looking it up!






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  Reply # 2087510 11-Sep-2018 13:51
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In the immortal words of Monthy Python and the Holy Grail: Run away!

 

Going back about 20 years, I knew some people who had completed numerous Landmark courses. My impressions at the time: money extraction vehicle verging on cult.




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  Reply # 2087575 11-Sep-2018 15:06
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dafman:

 

In the immoral words of Monthy Python and the Holy Grail: Run away!

 

Going back about 20 years, I knew some people who had completed numerous Landmark courses. My impressions at the time: money extraction vehicle verging on cult.

 

 

 

 

I think everything in the private education sector in NZ is a money extraction machine.
Especially those "English schools" and "IT Institutes" So far I have yet to be proven wrong. 

It won't be costing me anything fortunately, i wouldn't be spending it if it was my own earnings! 





 


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  Reply # 2087583 11-Sep-2018 15:14
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Coil:

dafman:


In the immoral words of Monthy Python and the Holy Grail: Run away!


Going back about 20 years, I knew some people who had completed numerous Landmark courses. My impressions at the time: money extraction vehicle verging on cult.



 


I think everything in the private education sector in NZ is a money extraction machine.
Especially those "English schools" and "IT Institutes" So far I have yet to be proven wrong. 

It won't be costing me anything fortunately, i wouldn't be spending it if it was my own earnings! 



I wouldn’t classify Landmark Forum as ‘education’ by any stretch.

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  Reply # 2101023 3-Oct-2018 20:24
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Well well,

 

 

 

I did "The Forum" and in their terms "I got the forum" or i understood what it meant. I went in with an open enough mind and understood all their points loud and clear. Just a shame for them their practices didn't fool me. Sure - Some good lessons to be learnt but then again if you read some books they are in there too. 

For me it did help with some things, maybe hearing hideous stories about rape and murder in front of their eyes (I would much rather not ever have heard) gave me a reality check of some kind and being able to see the links in the chain for the "vicious cycles" that you put yourself in sometimes with the payoffs and costs.

I wouldn't suggest someone pay $825 for this course, I feel there would be something a lot more suitable and passive out there..
They try to brainwash to you enroll others into your course, by opening up and spewing as much baggage onto your poor mates as you can to make them also think you are having some life changing episode. After you "open up" to your mates they try to get you to recruit them to bring them to the last 3 hour session.

The whole thing was not bad. But if they had of dropped the hard sell and outright lieing about what the final night would be about it would have been an all rough OK experience. They said they would do a cool seminar for the friends and family involving a lot and all that it turned out to be was advertisement after advertisement and pretty much trying to psych people into saying yes even when they outright say no. I took the father and sister for a gag as I knew what it was going to be about and we sat there poker faced and had about 3 people try and convince us to signup. Somehow No doesn't translate to these imbeciles.

Anyway, You would have to be a special kind of dumb to volunteer for this cult, they made 57 million USD last year, and that was split between 33 "Forum leaders" including the kiwi one Zoe Masters who lead my forum.

Final note: Avoid avoid avoid avoid avoid. Money is better spent on a 3 legged grey hound. 





 


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  Reply # 2101033 3-Oct-2018 20:43
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Good on you for taking one for the team, as it were :)


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  Reply # 2101037 3-Oct-2018 20:54
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I haven't been but my father has and some of my family too.

I definitely saw the cult aspects and all the other negative points here. I'd never go, I think it's crap.

BUT it did my dad a world of good. It took him a while to come down after drinking the coolaid, but it changed him as a person for the better.

I think the two biggest things were (and I'm guessing a little bit here), it got him to open up and talk to people, and it was possibly the first thing in his life he saw through and actually clearly succeeded at.
It wasn't that he had never succeeded, it's more that the successes he had were minor or in some way soured.

It's a hell of a lot of money to attend cult meetings, but for some people, it's worth it.




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  Reply # 2101067 3-Oct-2018 21:28
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I was persuaded by my brother to attend his "graduation" evening, which was a taster for the forum and a hard sales pitch from both my brother and staff members.  If you're into ritual humiliation, baring your soul, phoning family members out of the blue and revealing your inner secrets to them then maybe it's for you.  They also deprive you of sleep and food for most of the long days - this in itself was enough to put me off; stress, low blood sugar and crowds are not a good combination for me.

 

It's very cultish.  They have very charismatic leaders.  You're encouraged/coerced to recruit friends and family.  It costs a lot of money.  There are a few snippets of self improvement.

 

I told them very firmly both at the evening and in the one phone call I received later that I wasn't interested.  To their credit, I haven't heard back from them.


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  Reply # 2101077 3-Oct-2018 21:45
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shk292:

I was persuaded by my brother to attend his "graduation" evening, which was a taster for the forum and a hard sales pitch from both my brother and staff members.  If you're into ritual humiliation, baring your soul, phoning family members out of the blue and revealing your inner secrets to them then maybe it's for you.  They also deprive you of sleep and food for most of the long days - this in itself was enough to put me off; stress, low blood sugar and crowds are not a good combination for me.


It's very cultish.  They have very charismatic leaders.  You're encouraged/coerced to recruit friends and family.  It costs a lot of money.  There are a few snippets of self improvement.


I told them very firmly both at the evening and in the one phone call I received later that I wasn't interested.  To their credit, I haven't heard back from them.



Exactly. This is what I was trying to say above. Couldn’t have put it better.



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  Reply # 2101095 3-Oct-2018 22:11
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gehenna:

 

Good on you for taking one for the team, as it were :)

 

 

 

 

I can't deny that I learnt some great life lessons from it. But the whole picture is wrong. 

Team, The Secret by Rhonda Bryne is much better and cheaper. 





 


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