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  Reply # 2107403 13-Oct-2018 18:32
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jarledb:

 

There are so many problems with the death penalty.

 

If we for a moment ignore that US states without death penalty had lower murder rates which clearly shows that the death penalty is not a deterrent for violent crimes.

 

The main problem with the death penalty is that our justice systems aren't perfect.

 

Innocent people actually get convicted for serious crimes. That also means that innocent people will get killed for acts they have not committed.

 

It is also a problem that the death penalty typically affect the poor and minorities more than others.

 

You should take the time to read Amnesty's page on the death penalty if you want to learn more about the problems with the death penatly.

 

That said, most people advocating for the death penalty seem to want it for the punishment. Which makes no sense, if punishment is your goal - the punishment ends when someone dies. If you want to give them a good punishment, wouldn't it make more sense to let them live out their lives behind bars?

 

 

Just like when discussing firearms, I think the US is an utterly terrible example when it comes to capital punishment as well. Realistically the death penalty is never likely to return to NZ, but if it were going to there would need to stringent measures in place to ensure that the chance of an innocent person being killed was minimal. I think a realistic minimum is either "caught in the act" or DNA evidence.

 

As for punishment, I don't see the death penalty as a punishment at all, simply as a way of protecting the masses. It's certainly quicker and less traumatic than the lifetime of PTSD they'll have left behind.

 

 





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  Reply # 2108126 15-Oct-2018 12:41
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8 years would be ok if that's what he actually served, every second of it. This guy is eligible for parole in 2.5 years. Hard to see him getting it, but the fact he gets a chance is a slap in the face of the victims. The chances of this guy turning his life around are slim to none. Career criminal, no hope. Just pray your family doesn't cross paths with him one day.


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  Reply # 2110227 18-Oct-2018 09:06
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Not technically 'our justice system' but find this

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/17/court-quashes-excessive-sentences-of-fracking-protesters

 

kind of thing just as bad. Jailed for causing a public nuisance, the best example the prosecutor could come up with was 'a delivery of maggots had to be delivered on foot to a nearby aquarium'. The defence wan't impressed - 'This was as serious as it got, that they had to wheelbarrow some live maggots into World of Water, rather than drive a truck.'





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  Reply # 2110294 18-Oct-2018 09:52
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Lias:

 

SpartanVXL:  People like this will keep popping up and there will be more victims in the future. I'm sure there evidence that if this kid had a better life he'd be in a different place now. At this rate he's going to get chucked in the system with the rest of them, spat out in some years time and be worse off than he is now.

 

The death penalty may not stop offenders like this from committing a terrible crime, but it will stop them from doing it a second time. 

 

 

 

 

the death penalty might make us feel better, but its been proven it doesn't deter these types of crimes, plus a certain % of innocent people will be murdered by the state.

 

I don't have all the answers, but bringing back the death penalty isn't the answer.


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