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  Reply # 2130815 21-Nov-2018 09:10
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The decline in the world trading market order, including the high value of the US dollar and subsidies is more responsible for lower dairy prices than reduced demand due to ethical or environmental reasons.  

 

Should also be noted that soy prices are kept artificially low due to subsidies, even in countries where farm labour is cheap.


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  Reply # 2130820 21-Nov-2018 09:22
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MikeB4:

 

The links to certain cancers have not been concluded or excluded and is still under investigation so I didn't include it. . There is evidence the consumption of dairy my increase risks of prostrate and ovarian cancers. oh and I am not an anti dairy zealot, I am intolerant (by medical diagnosis not internet diagnosis) to lactose. I use Zero lactose milk for example. 

 

 

Overall, the *WCRF/AICR panel concluded that "The evidence is inconsistent from both cohort and case-control studies. There is limited evidence suggesting that milk and dairy products are a cause of prostate cancer.

 

* World Cancer Research Fund / American Institute for Cancer Research.

 

I'd also call BS on your claim that there's a proven causative link between dairy and CVD, Diabetes II, Alzheimer's. More likely is if there's a correlation, then it's due to overconsumption of everything and obesity, lack of exercise, and other mainly lifestyle related matters.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2130829 21-Nov-2018 09:31
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MikeB4:

 

Geektastic: Why would I not stick with dairy? Milk is only produced by mammals. Soy beans, almonds etc cannot produce milk and it should not be allowed to be labelled as milk because it isn't milk.

 

 

 

Heart disease, Type 2 Diabetes and Alzheimers are three reasons not to stick to dairy.

 

 


Hmmm, there is strong evidence that dairy reduces the risk of Type 2 Diabetes


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  Reply # 2130832 21-Nov-2018 09:35
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MikeB4:

 

The links to certain cancers have not been concluded or excluded and is still under investigation so I didn't include it. . There is evidence the consumption of dairy my increase risks of prostrate and ovarian cancers. oh and I am not an anti dairy zealot, I am intolerant (by medical diagnosis not internet diagnosis) to lactose. I use Zero lactose milk for example. 

 

 

Overall, the *WCRF/AICR panel concluded that "The evidence is inconsistent from both cohort and case-control studies. There is limited evidence suggesting that milk and dairy products are a cause of prostate cancer.

 

* World Cancer Research Fund / American Institute for Cancer Research.

 

I'd also call BS on your claim that there's a proven causative link between dairy and CVD, Diabetes II, Alzheimer's. More likely is if there's a correlation, then it's due to overconsumption of everything and obesity, lack of exercise, and other mainly lifestyle related matters.

 

 

 

 

Well Dr Fredd my advice regarding this came from.......

 

My Daughter= Dr of Medicine and medical researcher

 

My Specialist.

 

My GP

 

Oh and where in my posts did I state "claim that there's a proven causative link between dairy and CVD, Diabetes II, Alzheimer's." ? I submit you are exagerarting to try and make your view more plausible. 





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  Reply # 2130834 21-Nov-2018 09:43
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MikeB4:

 

Well Dr Fredd my advice regarding this came from.......

 

My Daughter= Dr of Medicine and medical researcher

 

My Specialist.

 

My GP

 

Oh and where in my posts did I state "claim that there's a proven causative link between dairy and CVD, Diabetes II, Alzheimer's." ? I submit you are exagerarting to try and make your view more plausible. 

 

 

Here:

 

MikeB4:

 

Heart disease, Type 2 Diabetes and Alzheimers are three reasons not to stick to dairy.

 

 

You're trying to validate abject BS and scaremongering by claiming your association with "experts" gives you "expertise".  It doesn't. 

 

Doing that while also trying to "put me down" by sarcastically calling me "Dr Fredd" is pretty shameless. 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2130844 21-Nov-2018 09:50
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Fred99:

 

MikeB4:

 

Well Dr Fredd my advice regarding this came from.......

 

My Daughter= Dr of Medicine and medical researcher

 

My Specialist.

 

My GP

 

Oh and where in my posts did I state "claim that there's a proven causative link between dairy and CVD, Diabetes II, Alzheimer's." ? I submit you are exagerarting to try and make your view more plausible. 

 

 

Here:

 

MikeB4:

 

Heart disease, Type 2 Diabetes and Alzheimers are three reasons not to stick to dairy.

 

 

You're trying to validate abject BS and scaremongering by claiming your association with "experts" gives you "expertise".  It doesn't. 

 

Doing that while also trying to "put me down" by sarcastically calling me "Dr Fredd" is pretty shameless. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you accept that I did not state there was a causative link between dairy and CVD, Diabetes 2 and Alzheimers. yes?  it is you that is partaking in adding words .

 

As for the Dr bit , I accept that that was a cheap shot and I apologise for that. 





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  Reply # 2130847 21-Nov-2018 09:54
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Geektastic: Milk is only produced by mammals. Soy beans, almonds etc cannot produce milk and it should not be allowed to be labelled as milk because it isn't milk.

 

+1

 

there should be rules for labeling products. Call the-hell-you-want-it but not MILK if it's not MILK.

 

 





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  Reply # 2130852 21-Nov-2018 10:04
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kobiak:

 

Geektastic: Milk is only produced by mammals. Soy beans, almonds etc cannot produce milk and it should not be allowed to be labelled as milk because it isn't milk.

 

+1

 

there should be rules for labeling products. Call the-hell-you-want-it but not MILK if it's not MILK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Coconut milk?

 

Milk of magnesia?

 

Milk of Human Kindness?





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  Reply # 2130855 21-Nov-2018 10:12
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kobiak:

 

Geektastic: Milk is only produced by mammals. Soy beans, almonds etc cannot produce milk and it should not be allowed to be labelled as milk because it isn't milk.

 

+1

 

there should be rules for labeling products. Call the-hell-you-want-it but not MILK if it's not MILK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Coconut milk?

 

Milk of magnesia?

 

Milk of Human Kindness?

 

 

"White color water" - would suit me the most.

 

nothing stops them to produce any other color water.





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  Reply # 2130859 21-Nov-2018 10:18
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kobiak:

 

Item:

 

kobiak:

 

Geektastic: Milk is only produced by mammals. Soy beans, almonds etc cannot produce milk and it should not be allowed to be labelled as milk because it isn't milk.

 

+1

 

there should be rules for labeling products. Call the-hell-you-want-it but not MILK if it's not MILK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Coconut milk?

 

Milk of magnesia?

 

Milk of Human Kindness?

 

 

"White color water" - would suit me the most.

 

nothing stops them to produce any other color water.

 

 

 

 

Milk has many definitions as long as alternatives milks are not claiming to be diary products I don't  see the issue.

 

Websters....

 

 

"1aa fluid secreted by the mammary glands of females for the nourishment of their young

 

 

b(1)milk from an animal and especially a cow used as food by people

 

(2)a food product produced from seeds or fruit that resembles and is used similarly to cow's milkcoconut milksoy milk

 

 

 

 

2a liquid resembling milk in appearance: such as

 

athe latex of a plant

 

bthe contents of an unripe kernel of grain"

 

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 2130861 21-Nov-2018 10:21
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I was told that off topic threads are allowed slight more off topic comments than regular threads. I could be wrong.



Only from the perspective where my comment was to do with the title not being connected to the post.

I always assumed the 'Off Topic' bit meant unrelated to tech or geek, not the relationship between the title and the commentary.


I don't see you policing everybody else on this thread.




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  Reply # 2130863 21-Nov-2018 10:21
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Almond juice and soy juice.

 

Almond milk substitute. Soy milk substitute.

 

 

 

Milk tastes good. I like milk. I shall continue to drink milk, cook with milk and enjoy milk. I will die of something at some point. I do not intend to live the life of an ascetic monk in the hope that I can enjoy a couple more years of decrepitude later in life...






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  Reply # 2130877 21-Nov-2018 10:31
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Batman:
Dingbatt:
Batman:

I was told that off topic threads are allowed slight more off topic comments than regular threads. I could be wrong.



Only from the perspective where my comment was to do with the title not being connected to the post.

I always assumed the 'Off Topic' bit meant unrelated to tech or geek, not the relationship between the title and the commentary.


I don't see you policing everybody else on this thread.


You mean like my first post? The one that illicited your first response? I'm not the thread police, that is the purview of the mods.




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  Reply # 2131017 21-Nov-2018 12:00
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My topic headline was not chosen very well - it was copied from a farming website. I added the words in the brackets.  None of the NZ news sites were carrying the story early this morning, perhaps because a fall in dairy prices is no longer very news worthy.

 

I notice that most supermarkets put long life milk and alternatives such as soy 'milk' in the same place.   I have seen these right next to the main milk chillers though.




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  Reply # 2131023 21-Nov-2018 12:06
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For an Irish view on the global dairy situation I found this article:

 

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/lacpatrick-drops-milk-price-420613

 

“We are now very much in the midst of a severe downturn in the dairy markets which is on a par with 2016. The business we operate must reflect the realities of the market,” LacPatrick Dairies chair Andrew McConkey said.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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