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# 2176554 11-Feb-2019 15:55

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Apparently there's going to be something called The Back & White Ball in Whakatane sometime in March. Am I allowed to mention such a thing ? I hope no-ones offended...

The Fronts will be offended they weren't invited.

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# 2176633 11-Feb-2019 16:50

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While in Singapore recently with a large group of people at a restaurant, we took great glee in finding out what name they had used to identify each of us - large dark man and skinny white man were mentioned, to much amusement, as they couldn't have been more accurate!

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# 2177748 13-Feb-2019 16:21

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I have learnt from my teenage daughters don't assume gender and don't assume race - the two most likely things that can be received as offensive (note I said received). Not meaning offence is no longer a defence of what you say in this highly charged social justice/warrior time we are going through.

That said; if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck...

It's like the small-talk rules; don't talk about religion or politics. However, if you're really looking for an argument though, gender politics is explosive.

In this case it's difficult to decide whether taking offence was warranted. I wouldn't have rushed to the press though, I would have just not eaten there again.

I would probably feel slightly aggrieved if they'd put Pākehā on my receipt, it's not how I identify (see my first point) - as it's a term that I feel is exclusionary; a them and us very binary identity (yes this is a different conversation).

Procrastination eventually pays off.

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# 2181537 17-Feb-2019 16:13

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Now there are suggestions that we shouldn't listen to the music of artists who have committed sexual crimes. Or maybe even just dated underage girls. Or underage boys.

I think this kind of thing is utter precious BS nonsense. Sexual assault or exploitation of young people can never be excused and it is right to hold anyone who commits such acts to account. But it is the acts that should be punished. This has nothing to do with artistic creations, unless such works are advocating or celebrating inappropriate behaviour in some way.

Human beings are not two-dimensional creatures. People are driven by complex and often contradictory impulses. Should we not eat food that has been prepared by an unvetted chef? Not buy products from an unknown salesperson? How do you tell what someone's personal life is like? Maybe all the films that Harvey Weinstein helped produce should also be banned. There go Pulp Fiction, Heavenly Creatures, Shakespeare in Love, and many, many others. What about the literature of Vladimir Nabokov? After all, he wrote Lolita! Chuck it on the bonfire!

This is the stupidest over-the-top retarded pc dumbbell crap I have ever heard of. My use of 'retarded' is intentional and I wish Geekzone allowed me to use much stronger language. People with ideas this dumb should not be allowed to go out unsupervised. The tragedy is that others lacking critical faculties will get sucked in by this idiocy, which can easily spiral out of control. It should go without saying that supporting the work of any artist has nothing whatsoever to do with supporting the bad behaviour of such a person. It should go without saying, but in the face of so much stupid, I feel I have to say it anyway.

I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney

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# 2181544 17-Feb-2019 16:27

Rikkitic:

Now there are suggestions that we shouldn't listen to the music of artists who have committed sexual crimes. Or maybe even just dated underage girls. Or underage boys.

I think this kind of thing is utter precious BS nonsense. Sexual assault or exploitation of young people can never be excused and it is right to hold anyone who commits such acts to account. But it is the acts that should be punished. This has nothing to do with artistic creations, unless such works are advocating or celebrating inappropriate behaviour in some way.

Human beings are not two-dimensional creatures. People are driven by complex and often contradictory impulses. Should we not eat food that has been prepared by an unvetted chef? Not buy products from an unknown salesperson? How do you tell what someone's personal life is like? Maybe all the films that Harvey Weinstein helped produce should also be banned. There go Pulp Fiction, Heavenly Creatures, Shakespeare in Love, and many, many others. What about the literature of Vladimir Nabokov? After all, he wrote Lolita! Chuck it on the bonfire!

This is the stupidest over-the-top retarded pc dumbbell crap I have ever heard of. My use of 'retarded' is intentional and I wish Geekzone allowed me to use much stronger language. People with ideas this dumb should not be allowed to go out unsupervised. The tragedy is that others lacking critical faculties will get sucked in by this idiocy, which can easily spiral out of control. It should go without saying that supporting the work of any artist has nothing whatsoever to do with supporting the bad behaviour of such a person. It should go without saying, but in the face of so much stupid, I feel I have to say it anyway.

By supporting these low life scum you are simply enabling their behaviour. Whether they produced fantastic art is completely irrelevant.

As for "just dated underage girls. Or underage boys.".... FFS. Would you be sweet with your child hanging out with a wealthy 30-40-something year old being feed all sorts of bullsh!t just to get their pants off?!

Nothing retarded or PC about actively avoiding garbage from garbage members of society.

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# 2181549 17-Feb-2019 16:49

I do not support anyone who abuses children but I doubt Michael Jackson will be molesting very many. Who do you punish by banning his music? Paris, Prince Michael and Blanket? Way to visit the sins of the father on the children. I stand by what I said. It is stupid pc crap.

I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney

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# 2181550 17-Feb-2019 16:54

Rikkitic:

I do not support anyone who abuses children but I doubt Michael Jackson will be molesting very many. Who do you punish by banning his music? Paris, Prince Michael and Blanket? Way to visit the sins of the father on the children. I stand by what I said. It is stupid pc crap.

MJ is where he should be.

R Kelly on the other hand is at large.

You can't say "I do not support anyone who abuses children" and say "not listening to their music is PC crap" because you are literally supporting the artist.

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# 2181562 17-Feb-2019 17:06

I think an argument can be made for boycotting the work of people like R Kelly, who are alive and profiting, though I have to wonder why he is "still at large". But this doesn't address the bigger issue. I understand your outrage, which is fully justified, but I wouldn't want it to be determining my listening or viewing choices.

I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney

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# 2181588 17-Feb-2019 18:09

I recently ate one of the most spectular dishes I have eaten in what I consider to be a reasonably experienced eating career. It was created by a chef who was for a while the chef for Vladimir Putin. The dish in question was developed apparently for the man himself.

Sharing this with someone recently, they almost spat on me for eating anything associated with Putin, which also came with a lecture of the mans sins etc.

I tried to calmly point out that his chef did not commit said crimes, but there was no appeasing this person and in short order I became frustrated and bored and excused myself.

I too, wonder how people can be capable of supposedly basic things like driving a car, but can't connect the dots on topics like the above example.

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# 2181610 17-Feb-2019 18:33

MJ was tried and found not guilty (twice). R Kelly is a convicted sex offender, Chris Brown convicted of assault etc.

R Kelly is being investigated for more charges of sex offences.

I do believe some people can change. I believe sometimes it takes prison sentence or a conviction for people to fully understand things. I think just because someone has committed a crime, doesn't exclude them forever from being contributing members of society. I have personal experience with some people who have turned their lives around after a long association with crime, who I truly believe on the balance, have helped more people than they hurt and who have potential to help many many others.

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# 2181617 17-Feb-2019 18:43

networkn:

I recently ate one of the most spectular dishes I have eaten in what I consider to be a reasonably experienced eating career. It was created by a chef who was for a while the chef for Vladimir Putin. The dish in question was developed apparently for the man himself.

Sharing this with someone recently, they almost spat on me for eating anything associated with Putin, which also came with a lecture of the mans sins etc.

I tried to calmly point out that his chef did not commit said crimes, but there was no appeasing this person and in short order I became frustrated and bored and excused myself.

I too, wonder how people can be capable of supposedly basic things like driving a car, but can't connect the dots on topics like the above example.

Was this recently?

With 210 Po, it can take a while for the aftertaste to develop.

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# 2181665 17-Feb-2019 20:34

Jackson. I can't really enjoy anything from the neverland period. After hearing some of the recent revelations I'm not sure I will enjoy the earlier stuff either next time I hear it. On that basis I tend to think it's personal choice.

This seems a world away from the original topic should have been a new topic.

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# 2181695 17-Feb-2019 21:41

Haha the Asians should know better*.

I've traveled and mingled in at least 3 very respectable Asian countries, and each ethnic group call out people from another ethnicity by a semi derogatory nick name. Very normal in Asia.

White people are generally called ghost man (because their skin colour is white and Asian ghosts are usually white).

*I think can say this because I am not white.

Anyway, an easy answer to this saga - what if the invoice had the word "poms"?

Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.

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# 2181696 17-Feb-2019 21:46

Rikkitic:

Now there are suggestions that we shouldn't listen to the music of artists who have committed sexual crimes. Or maybe even just dated underage girls. Or underage boys.

I think this kind of thing is utter precious BS nonsense. Sexual assault or exploitation of young people can never be excused and it is right to hold anyone who commits such acts to account. But it is the acts that should be punished. This has nothing to do with artistic creations, unless such works are advocating or celebrating inappropriate behaviour in some way.

Human beings are not two-dimensional creatures. People are driven by complex and often contradictory impulses. Should we not eat food that has been prepared by an unvetted chef? Not buy products from an unknown salesperson? How do you tell what someone's personal life is like? Maybe all the films that Harvey Weinstein helped produce should also be banned. There go Pulp Fiction, Heavenly Creatures, Shakespeare in Love, and many, many others. What about the literature of Vladimir Nabokov? After all, he wrote Lolita! Chuck it on the bonfire!

This is the stupidest over-the-top retarded pc dumbbell crap I have ever heard of. My use of 'retarded' is intentional and I wish Geekzone allowed me to use much stronger language. People with ideas this dumb should not be allowed to go out unsupervised. The tragedy is that others lacking critical faculties will get sucked in by this idiocy, which can easily spiral out of control. It should go without saying that supporting the work of any artist has nothing whatsoever to do with supporting the bad behaviour of such a person. It should go without saying, but in the face of so much stupid, I feel I have to say it anyway.

Up there with not looking at the paintings done by a certain Austrian gentleman - many of which are actually quite good.

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# 2181701 17-Feb-2019 21:59

Fred99:

Was this recently?

With 210 Po, it can take a while for the aftertaste to develop.

At the time I am sure I may have uttered the phrase "to die for" or "now I can die happy".

Hopefully it was hyperbole and not phrophetic!

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