Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 
4963 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  # 2177832 13-Feb-2019 18:21
Send private message

Your friend should start the job and bring the oldest and cheapest smartphone he can find along. Not up to spec for the job? Too bad.


2213 posts

Uber Geek


  # 2177835 13-Feb-2019 18:32
Send private message

I'm on the Dual Sim bandwagon, company supplies a mid level Android perfectly adequate for the job, usual uncapped min/text/data (not unlimited but no limit enforced, possibly fair use applies have never been reprimanded on this).

 

I chose to supply and use my own handset essentially fully funded by me. I have my personal sim in second slot on a $9/mth plan which more than covers any use and keeps number active etc

 

I was surprised at company policy as even with supplied handset, it arrived from spark BNIB with employees expected to set it up using their own google account or create a new one. Other than device administrator for company email no enforced software etc, this is a sizable company with over 4000 employees across Australasia 

 

 


 
 
 
 


22610 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 2177887 13-Feb-2019 19:22
Send private message

Paul1977:

 

The biggest issue I see with that is what happens if you leave? You will forever be getting work related calls about a job you are no longer at.

 

 

Check ownership of the number if you use it for work purposes. They may require surrender of it at the end of employment which could be annoying if you use a phone number for personal use too.





Richard rich.ms

624 posts

Ultimate Geek


  # 2177982 13-Feb-2019 21:37
2 people support this post
Send private message

We'd never propose such an arrangement, due to:

 

Labour costs of reimbursing monthly fees.

 

Arguments relating to overage (regardless of the clauses imputed into the IEA)

 

Handset subsidies - With a fleet of $40/month contracts, the company would receive a hefty handset subsidy that would cover the cost of hardware.

 

Potential for personal and company data to mix, and the security implications of this information being disseminated to the wider world.

 

Insurance of the device.

 

Ownership of the data on the device.

 

Implications during employment disputes.

 

And much more.

 

 


40 posts

Geek


  # 2177983 13-Feb-2019 21:41
Send private message

Wade: I was surprised at company policy as even with supplied handset, it arrived from spark BNIB with employees expected to set it up using their own google account or create a new one. Other than device administrator for company email no enforced software etc, this is a sizable company with over 4000 employees across Australasia 

 

We had something similar - first company iPhone required it to be set up using a personal Apple account although this had been remedied when the upgrade happened 3 years later.


355 posts

Ultimate Geek


  # 2177984 13-Feb-2019 21:42
Send private message

Geektastic: Sounds like a skinflint company to work for. Alarm bells for other areas they may be skimping on.

 

Most consulting engineering companies are extremely tight and mean. They will also expect you to use it as a camera for free as well.


1779 posts

Uber Geek


  # 2178064 14-Feb-2019 08:43
One person supports this post
Send private message

I'm so glad my current position doesn't require me to have a phone for work. My bosses are very good at separating work and private life, I never get contacted outside of working hours.


 
 
 
 


709 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

  # 2178098 14-Feb-2019 09:35
Send private message

Policies on this will vary company to company, as an employee/candidate you can choose to accept (or not) the conditions.

 

Generally the end result should be that the company pays for company-related expenses. The level to which you get 'personal use' is most certainly by agreement.

 

 

In past roles I have:

 

- Provided my own phone and connection, and claimed business costs line-by-line off the bill

 

- Provided my own phone, company provides SIM card and pays the bill

 

- Provided my own phone or purchased one cheap through employer, company pays costs for Internet + Mobile up to a fixed allowance per month.

 

- Had a phone provided c/w SIM card on the expectation that the phone stays with the company when I leave. Personal device remained entirely personal (no BYOD, but Wifi provided at the office)

 

- Transferred my mobile number to the corporate plan, New SIM + Handset provided by employer, personal use OK (but don't abuse it). No MDM enforced, but if you leave all you get to keep is the number (ported out to another SIM)

 

- As above, but with full MDM (personal use fine, but subject to the risks above, and option to remote-toast and impose other rules)

 

 

As a candidate employee you should know what you're getting into and accept the conditions as part of your employment agreement. If you are expected to use a phone as part of your work then it's fair to negotiate that the employer provide it and support it (IME the most common arrangement) but in some types of work the employee may prefer their own device and to only carry one phone, so option to claim some of those costs back in return for using personal equipment is pretty nice.

 

 

Similar issues for IT staff needing Internet in order to work remotely and be on-call; what happens if you happen to not have good internet where you are?

 





No signature to see here, move along...

572 posts

Ultimate Geek


  # 2181098 15-Feb-2019 20:19
Send private message

Not uncommon. My wife is reimbursed for her $40 monthly plan. Imo it's a pain in the ass though! My work provides a phone with unlimited calls and 2 gig of data, which I exceed all the time. I dont mind mixing personal and business, I had two phones in my last role and it was a pain. The dual sim option sounds good though!

15219 posts

Uber Geek


  # 2181102 15-Feb-2019 20:38
Send private message

My brother used to work for a council and they supplied him with an iphone, which he used for both business and personal. I don't think they cared how much it was used either. Maybe it could be considered a fringe benefit to be able to use it for personal use?


BDFL - Memuneh
64820 posts

Uber Geek

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

  # 2181113 15-Feb-2019 21:20
Send private message

I have a phone number since 1999. I joined was hired five years ago and joined the company's corporate plan. Unlimited data is included in the plan (up to a reasonable amount, which varies depending on the month but a few GB is ok). Voice, SMS, roaming are charged at casual rates. The company will cover anything up to $150 - since I don't usually place voice calls nor use SMS (most messaging is using Messenger, Twitter DM or WhatsApp) this means I never have to pay anything. Roaming is not included so whatever I use overseas comes out of the $150 - which at $5/day for most destinations is fine.

 

I have my own smartphones but the company offers the option of employees buying through a plan with monthly payments taken from payroll.

 

When you leave the company they transfer the the phone number to a prepay plan and it's yours to do whatever you want - basically returning the phone number to you.





Banana?
4871 posts

Uber Geek

Subscriber

  # 2181828 18-Feb-2019 09:27
Send private message

We are on a shared data plan - I think we have about 40 connections and a pool of about 400Gb a month. Most people only use a few GB, some, who are on the road quite a bit and have to use tethering use 20-30 (more in busy months). I think only twice in a couple of years have we gone over our pool. The plan includes unlimited text and calling in NZ. There are no restrictions (other than a warning not to take the p*ss) on personal use.


1 | 2 | 3 
Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter and LinkedIn »



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Chorus to launch Hyperfibre service
Posted 18-Nov-2019 15:00


Microsoft launches first Experience Center worldwide for Asia Pacific in Singapore
Posted 13-Nov-2019 13:08


Disney+ comes to LG Smart TVs
Posted 13-Nov-2019 12:55


Spark launches new wireless broadband "Unplan Metro"
Posted 11-Nov-2019 08:19


Malwarebytes overhauls flagship product with new UI, faster engine and lighter footprint
Posted 6-Nov-2019 11:48


CarbonClick launches into Digital Marketplaces
Posted 6-Nov-2019 11:42


Kordia offers Microsoft Azure Peering Service
Posted 6-Nov-2019 11:41


Spark 5G live on Auckland Harbour for Emirates Team New Zealand
Posted 4-Nov-2019 17:30


BNZ and Vodafone partner to boost NZ Tech for SME
Posted 31-Oct-2019 17:14


Nokia 7.2 available in New Zealand
Posted 31-Oct-2019 16:24


2talk launches Microsoft Teams Direct Routing product
Posted 29-Oct-2019 10:35


New Breast Cancer Foundation app puts power in Kiwi women's hands
Posted 25-Oct-2019 16:13


OPPO Reno2 Series lands, alongside hybrid noise-cancelling Wireless Headphones
Posted 24-Oct-2019 15:32


Waikato Data Scientists awarded $13 million from the Government
Posted 24-Oct-2019 15:27


D-Link launches Wave 2 Unified Access Points
Posted 24-Oct-2019 15:07



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.