Miniature horse Star... I have no words.

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Reply # 2184503 20-Feb-2019 19:17

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As someone who served on a Child Protection Team for 20 years, I can tell you this:

There is a very strong association between cruelty to animals and cruelty to children / humans.

Anyone who can stab a defenseless animal 40 times is capable of stabbing a defenseless child / adult 40 times ...

i rest my case.

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Reply # 2184533 20-Feb-2019 21:26

Coil:

I also assume with your principals you do not bother with medical care or anything? Cause all sh1t just dies in the end doesn't it?

Well yes everything does die in the end, but that doesn't mean I want to die or I want the people I care about to die. Hell I want the people I care about to live forever (or at least as long as they want to live).

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Reply # 2184534 20-Feb-2019 21:30

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As someone who served on a Child Protection Team for 20 years, I can tell you this:

There is a very strong association between cruelty to animals and cruelty to children / humans.

Anyone who can stab a defenseless animal 40 times is capable of stabbing a defenseless child / adult 40 times ...

i rest my case.

I'm quite partial to the idea of sentencing child abusers to be stabbed 40 times.. what say you? :-P

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Reply # 2184536 20-Feb-2019 21:43

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Lias:

Sideface:

As someone who served on a Child Protection Team for 20 years, I can tell you this:

There is a very strong association between cruelty to animals and cruelty to children / humans.

Anyone who can stab a defenseless animal 40 times is capable of stabbing a defenseless child / adult 40 times ...

i rest my case.

I'm quite partial to the idea of sentencing child abusers to be stabbed 40 times.. what say you? :-P

We don't live in an ISIS caliphate.

An "eye for an eye" just normalizes brutality.

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Reply # 2184578 21-Feb-2019 06:48

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As someone who served on a Child Protection Team for 20 years, I can tell you this:

There is a very strong association between cruelty to animals and cruelty to children / humans.

Anyone who can stab a defenseless animal 40 times is capable of stabbing a defenseless child / adult 40 times ...

i rest my case.

That's more of a statement of opinion than a case, to be fair.

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Reply # 2184579 21-Feb-2019 06:58

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Lias:

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As someone who served on a Child Protection Team for 20 years, I can tell you this:

There is a very strong association between cruelty to animals and cruelty to children / humans.

Anyone who can stab a defenseless animal 40 times is capable of stabbing a defenseless child / adult 40 times ...

i rest my case.

I'm quite partial to the idea of sentencing child abusers to be stabbed 40 times.. what say you? :-P

We don't live in an ISIS caliphate.

An "eye for an eye" just normalizes brutality.

It is times like these those principals start making sense....

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Reply # 2184624 21-Feb-2019 08:46

As an aside: as they used to say (possibly ironically?) the principal is your pal; those other things are principles...

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Reply # 2184695 21-Feb-2019 09:44

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networkn: Further update on the actual topic, is it is believed to multiple people involved. This does change the issue somewhat, as it moves from the possibility of a mentally ill individual who went into some form of frenzy, and is more likely a thought out planned attack. That being the case, I am now of the opinion that the people involved were simply being unmentionably cruel and sadistic.

It's not a further update, the belief that more than one person was involved is stated in the third paragraph of the original Herald article linked to by xpd.

Stabbed 40 times. To me the cruel/sadistic aspect was pretty obvious from the outset (it's called zoosadism), as was the probability of more than one person unless the pony was either in a very small stall or the stabber was a good runner. I'd also be of the mind that both persons had a crack at the stabbing. That said, I'm also not discounting the possibility there were more than two involved, even if it was 'only' having a getaway driver in order to leave the scene as quickly as possible.

I don't for a second believe this was an attempt to kill the pony per se, but rather a deliberate desire to inflict serious, drawn out pain. Why? Pleasure.

When Susan Couch spoke about the RSA attack by William Bell she described how terrified she was and recounted how this seemed to delight Bell (Nigel Latta speaks about this in "Beyond the Darklands"). The more she screamed and begged for him to stop the happier he became, laughing loudly at her and taking his time to get to her and inflict violence. In other words drawing things out to derive more pleasure. I've seen the same sort of behaviour on CCTV from the Columbine shooting - students screaming with fear, Klebold and Harris laughing inanely as they fired, slowly walking close to and laughing at wounded students before putting an end to them.

How did the pony get to walk 50 or so metres up the road before being discovered? Because it was let out of the area it was originally enclosed in. This may have been accidental but for a few reasons I tend to think it was deliberate. I also think there was probably an indifference as to whether death occurred or nor not.

My personal opinion of such people is that they're fundamentally broken and rehabilitation is a waste of time. They need a) locating and b) putting away for a long time for the general good of society. I have some hope for the first part but won't hold my breath for the second.

EDIT: a couple of grammar pieces

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Reply # 2184831 21-Feb-2019 13:57

I doubt it was done by more than one person, unless they were in some bizzare cult.

Was a pet horse, probably friendly and easy to tether, was pretty small - the article said it was the size of a cow, but photos show it at barely waist height.

I just don't think it's very likely that you could get two or more people to work together to carry out such an evil act when it would be pointless in terms of there being no rational motive, nothing in it for participants unless they're psychotic, several people suffering the same psychotic delusion at the same time, then meeting and agreeing to torture a horse together - nope.

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Reply # 2184835 21-Feb-2019 14:07

I understand your reasoning, however, I don't think it rules it out. You only need one strong/charasmatic personality to groom an impressionable or wayward easily led other to get this done. I'll agree it's less likely, but it happens in serial killer type situations not altogether rarely.

Of course the option that allows for 1 attacker is if the first few stabs killed it or disabled it so as to stop it trying to escape.

It's a grim line of thought all in all.

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Reply # 2184858 21-Feb-2019 14:27

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I seem to remember the Columbine shooters started their careers of violence by cutting up their pet dogs.

We should be able to identify the culprits of this particularly perverted attack in about 5 years when they kill half the attendees at the local primary or secondary school.

There is no animal on this planet more cruel and sadistic than humans. And to suggest that just because you own an animal you can do what you like with it just leaves me speechless.

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Reply # 2184865 21-Feb-2019 14:36

networkn:

I understand your reasoning, however, I don't think it rules it out. You only need one strong/charasmatic personality to groom an impressionable or wayward easily led other to get this done. I'll agree it's less likely, but it happens in serial killer type situations not altogether rarely.

Of course the option that allows for 1 attacker is if the first few stabs killed it or disabled it so as to stop it trying to escape.

It's a grim line of thought all in all.

Sounds a lot like the Manson cult to me. Except they did not start out on horses. Instead, they chose a pregnant woman, along with others.

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Reply # 2184918 21-Feb-2019 16:02

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Oh man I didn't realise the poor thing had died. Last I heard it was going to recover.

Poor owners :(

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Reply # 2184920 21-Feb-2019 16:02

Rikkitic:

networkn:

I understand your reasoning, however, I don't think it rules it out. You only need one strong/charasmatic personality to groom an impressionable or wayward easily led other to get this done. I'll agree it's less likely, but it happens in serial killer type situations not altogether rarely.

Of course the option that allows for 1 attacker is if the first few stabs killed it or disabled it so as to stop it trying to escape.

It's a grim line of thought all in all.

Sounds a lot like the Manson cult to me. Except they did not start out on horses. Instead, they chose a pregnant woman, along with others.

Occam's razor suggests probably just one lunatic - not a cult of sadistic horse torturers.

Manson's cult had some perverted rationalised belief system / motive.

No it doesn't rule it (a cult) out, but...

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Reply # 2184927 21-Feb-2019 16:14

SJB:

I seem to remember the Columbine shooters started their careers of violence by cutting up their pet dogs.

That's exceptional. Most school shooters etc - to the point of being able to say "almost all" - are individuals.

IIRC one of them was definitely a psychopath, cruelty to pets as youngsters being a typical if somewhat overdone stereotype.

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