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  # 2195205 10-Mar-2019 19:09
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Geektastic:

 

irongarment:
surfisup1000:

 

Geektastic:

 

I just don't see the issue. NZ is virtually drowning in water. The West coast is almost permanently soaking every time I go there and every time I cross a river I see thousands of cubic metres of water a minute destined to do nothing but end up in the sea.

 

 

Correct.

 

People instinctively think they should be against it, but can't figure out why. I think the reasons are xenophobic and envy, but people subconsciously disguise those reasons as 'water shortages' . 

 



Bottled water is environmentally unfriendly. Discuss.

 

It isn't. Why would it be? What improves the environment allowing the water to flow into the sea as opposed to into bottles you can sell?

 

Environment stuff is fine, but you can't spend it .

 

 

Money's fine but you can't drink it.


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  # 2195210 10-Mar-2019 19:14
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surfisup1000:

 

irongarment: 

Bottled water is environmentally unfriendly. Discuss.

 

It seems to me you are going off topic. Could you elucidate on how this is relevant?  

 

My understanding is that they are protesting against a chinese firm being allowed to use water without paying for it. 

 

 

You haven't got the nuances posted earlier.

 

The water sellers have paid for a water right but the circumstances around that right are a subject of annoyance and frustration.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2195309 10-Mar-2019 21:52
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elpenguino:

 

Geektastic:

 

irongarment:
surfisup1000:

 

Geektastic:

 

I just don't see the issue. NZ is virtually drowning in water. The West coast is almost permanently soaking every time I go there and every time I cross a river I see thousands of cubic metres of water a minute destined to do nothing but end up in the sea.

 

 

Correct.

 

People instinctively think they should be against it, but can't figure out why. I think the reasons are xenophobic and envy, but people subconsciously disguise those reasons as 'water shortages' . 

 



Bottled water is environmentally unfriendly. Discuss.

 

It isn't. Why would it be? What improves the environment allowing the water to flow into the sea as opposed to into bottles you can sell?

 

Environment stuff is fine, but you can't spend it .

 

 

Money's fine but you can't drink it.

 

 

 

 

There is no danger of running out of water. We let millions of litres a month drain into the sea...






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  # 2195357 10-Mar-2019 22:14
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Geektastic:

elpenguino:


Geektastic:


irongarment:
surfisup1000:


Geektastic:


I just don't see the issue. NZ is virtually drowning in water. The West coast is almost permanently soaking every time I go there and every time I cross a river I see thousands of cubic metres of water a minute destined to do nothing but end up in the sea.



Correct.


People instinctively think they should be against it, but can't figure out why. I think the reasons are xenophobic and envy, but people subconsciously disguise those reasons as 'water shortages' . 




Bottled water is environmentally unfriendly. Discuss.


It isn't. Why would it be? What improves the environment allowing the water to flow into the sea as opposed to into bottles you can sell?


Environment stuff is fine, but you can't spend it .



Money's fine but you can't drink it.



 


There is no danger of running out of water. We let millions of litres a month drain into the sea...



It's not the water. At least, my opposition to the bottling plant is not the water. It's the plastic. We are essentially exporting plastic. This will end up in waterways and the sea in China, because that's what happens there. Do you really want millions of empty plastic bottles (clearly labelled as coming from clean, green, New Zealand) in rivers, by the side of the road, and in the sea?

We should not be opposing the bottling plant because it's taking water (it's water, there'll be more later) we should be opposing it because bottling water is polluting. Can you see that?

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  # 2195468 11-Mar-2019 07:10
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If you want to stop pollution first ban wood burners (>8hrs/day release of toxins) and ban animal farming (24 hr release), followed by banning of imports and exports of any goods to NZ (sheer distance).




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  # 2195478 11-Mar-2019 08:17
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Batman: If you want to stop pollution first ban wood burners (>8hrs/day release of toxins) and ban animal farming (24 hr release), followed by banning of imports and exports of any goods to NZ (sheer distance).


I was thinking of killing all the humans, but your way might garner more acceptance.

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irongarment:

 


It's not the water. At least, my opposition to the bottling plant is not the water. It's the plastic. We are essentially exporting plastic. This will end up in waterways and the sea in China, because that's what happens there. Do you really want millions of empty plastic bottles (clearly labelled as coming from clean, green, New Zealand) in rivers, by the side of the road, and in the sea?

We should not be opposing the bottling plant because it's taking water (it's water, there'll be more later) we should be opposing it because bottling water is polluting. Can you see that?

 

Do you plan on banning bottled water sales in NZ? As that is polluting. Also tomato sauce, and 10,000 and so ons


 
 
 
 


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  # 2195499 11-Mar-2019 08:32
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irongarment:
Batman: If you want to stop pollution first ban wood burners (>8hrs/day release of toxins) and ban animal farming (24 hr release), followed by banning of imports and exports of any goods to NZ (sheer distance).


I was thinking of killing all the humans, but your way might garner more acceptance.

 

If you superimpose the graph of world population onto the graph of global temperature, they give an exact match.





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  # 2195500 11-Mar-2019 08:34
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How much does the bottler pay for water rights?


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  # 2195525 11-Mar-2019 08:54
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tdgeek:

How much does the bottler pay for water rights?



I can't find it again, but I believe it's just an office processing fee to transfer. As the previous owner had one standing.

There's no rights as such, but concent to consume.

/Edit found it.

Cloud Ocean Water only had to pay $2277 for its resource consent applications, along with a few hundred dollars for monitoring costs.

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  # 2195527 11-Mar-2019 08:55
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tdgeek:

irongarment:



It's not the water. At least, my opposition to the bottling plant is not the water. It's the plastic. We are essentially exporting plastic. This will end up in waterways and the sea in China, because that's what happens there. Do you really want millions of empty plastic bottles (clearly labelled as coming from clean, green, New Zealand) in rivers, by the side of the road, and in the sea?

We should not be opposing the bottling plant because it's taking water (it's water, there'll be more later) we should be opposing it because bottling water is polluting. Can you see that?


Do you plan on banning bottled water sales in NZ? As that is polluting. Also tomato sauce, and 10,000 and so ons


I would if tomato sauce came out of a tap for a tiny fraction of the cost of the bottled stuff.

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  # 2195535 11-Mar-2019 09:04
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Geektastic:

 

There is no danger of running out of water. We let millions of litres a month drain into the sea...

 

 

 

 

This I think is where people get (wrongly) outraged, led on by clickbait headlines.

 

 

 

We let trillions of litres flow into the sea per month - people get outraged when they see that a company is allowed to bottle a billion litres of water because it is a large number.

 

The Waikato River discharges, on average, 340 cu.m per second. That is 340,000 litres, per second. That is 29,376,000,000 litres per day, nearly a trillion a month from that river alone.

 

A billion litres, while an incomprehensible amount for most people to get their heads around, literally is a drop in the bucket.


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  # 2195539 11-Mar-2019 09:10
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A billion litres, while an incomprehensible amount for most people to get their heads around, literally is a drop in the bucket.

 

 

Yes - but a billion single-use 1 litre plastic water bottles is more than a drop in the bucket. 


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irongarment:
tdgeek:

 

irongarment:

 

 

 


It's not the water. At least, my opposition to the bottling plant is not the water. It's the plastic. We are essentially exporting plastic. This will end up in waterways and the sea in China, because that's what happens there. Do you really want millions of empty plastic bottles (clearly labelled as coming from clean, green, New Zealand) in rivers, by the side of the road, and in the sea?

We should not be opposing the bottling plant because it's taking water (it's water, there'll be more later) we should be opposing it because bottling water is polluting. Can you see that?

 

 

 

Do you plan on banning bottled water sales in NZ? As that is polluting. Also tomato sauce, and 10,000 and so ons

 


I would if tomato sauce came out of a tap for a tiny fraction of the cost of the bottled stuff.

 

Its not viable to allow tomato sauce from taps. They should have run tomato sauce hoses with the fibre rollout, so that was a Government and environmental fail

 

Now, lets get back to a serious discussion


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  # 2195543 11-Mar-2019 09:15
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Fred99:

 

trig42:

 

A billion litres, while an incomprehensible amount for most people to get their heads around, literally is a drop in the bucket.

 

 

Yes - but a billion single-use 1 litre plastic water bottles is more than a drop in the bucket. 

 

 

I don't disagree with that, but I don't think that's what people are outraged about or protesting about. It seems to me they are unhappy that someone else is profiting from what they view as a precious limited natural resource that they really aren't paying for.


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