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old3eyes
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  #2215076 11-Apr-2019 15:17
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MikeB4:

 

old3eyes:

 

Sounds like the RSA has gone into the Sky is Falling mode. Quick lets cancel things. A pack of wimps. 

 

 

 

 

Calling veterans that have served our nation in harms way a pack of wimps is a disgraceful unwarranted insult.

 

 

My wife is a returned vet and she says that they are a pack of wimps.  With an attitude like  they've got now they wouldn't have gone to war or the likes. 

 

Churchill would turn in his grave giving in to terrorism like this. 





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  #2215162 11-Apr-2019 16:43
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old3eyes:

 

MikeB4:

 

old3eyes:

 

Sounds like the RSA has gone into the Sky is Falling mode. Quick lets cancel things. A pack of wimps. 

 

 

 

 

Calling veterans that have served our nation in harms way a pack of wimps is a disgraceful unwarranted insult.

 

 

My wife is a returned vet and she says that they are a pack of wimps.  With an attitude like  they've got now they wouldn't have gone to war or the likes. 

 

Churchill would turn in his grave giving in to terrorism like this. 

 

 

 

 

I have two sons, a brother in law, four nephews and a niece who are living veterans of Afghanistan, Bosnia, Irag, Sinai and East Timor and they are NOT wimps. They all agree with the decisions being made. 

 

I wont repeat what their comments on your post were here. As for me your comments referring to veterans as wimps because they are making sensible decision are disgraceful.


  #2215189 11-Apr-2019 17:48
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networkn:

 

Why then, were the Islamic prayers not considered part of the services since the outset and why now more than before?

 

 

why is the crusaders name an issue now? (i dotn agree with the name change BTW)

 

because its been brought to light that there are maybe better ways for our society to do things.

 

Turkey is a Muslim majority, why can we not recognise both sides of the conflict on ANZAC day? listen to all the speeches and gesteres out there they all revolve around both sides of the conflicts.

 

its a prayer its not forcing you commit to Islam

 

Im serving military, and in the work place not a single person had an issue with it.




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  #2215211 11-Apr-2019 18:54
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Slight change of tack but still on the ANZAC Day Services theme.

 

At least the situation we are discussing in New Zealand has more merit than that faced by our Aussie cobbers in Nowra.

 

The headline 

 

No dawn service for Navy because it is too risky in the dark

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-10/no-dawn-service-for-navy-because-too-risky-in-the-dark/10989934 

 

 




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  #2215214 11-Apr-2019 19:22
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Technofreak:

Slight change of tack but still on the ANZAC Day Services theme.


At least the situation we are discussing in New Zealand has more merit than that faced by our Aussie cobbers in Nowra.


The headline 


No dawn service for Navy because it is too risky in the dark


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-10/no-dawn-service-for-navy-because-too-risky-in-the-dark/10989934 


 


To be fair, if the Navy had got it right in the dark all those many years ago, Anzac day might not have been the military disaster it was - maybe there is some historical merit in not letting them do things in the dark!

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networkn:

 

I mean if you are going to cancel these services, then why not pretty much any other public gathering? They had September 11th rememberances on the anniversary etc. It reminds me of the T-Shirts worn by many during the time; "Red White and Blue - These colours don't run". 

 

It was an isolated event carried by by a single perpertrator who is now secured, and is the only attack of it's type in our history.

 

I personally don't feel any fear being in public more than I would have previously, though I accept I wasn't the target in the first place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

We have had other attacks.  Aramoana - single gun man, deranged.

 

There was a dude on the west coast who shot up a few folks.

 

Rainbow warrior - terroism based on ideology

 

THe Wellington Trade Union building Bombing.

 

 

 

This is the biggest one but not the only one.

 

 

 

It's also not terroism. Its a hate crime. There is a big difference

 

 


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  #2215244 11-Apr-2019 20:24
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Police resources are limited and already stretched they simply cannot be where every ANZAC service will be held and many location would be a nightmare to watch. There will be young kids, disabled folk and very frail veterans who in the event of an incident would not be able get away or easily take cover. The decisions being made are sensible and I trust the police and they don't need to let the entire populous know. 

 

As for the Islamic prayer, in the spirit of inclusiveness it is fitting also I know veterans that are Islamic.

 

 

AS we move past our exclusive nationalim, we recognise that turkey and other nations were affected too - and we honour their dead who died fighting for what they believed in - evenif they were the enemy.

 

Respect for your foes is not a bad thing in fact it has for centuries been considered an honourable trait, so including them is to remember the dead, and the folly of war - together.

 

That said - there are other parts of the wars we fought in that incuding others / foes may not be so appropriate. Including afghanis , a country we still are active in, would seem to dishonour the current serving soldiers. And yes it too is a folly but recognising the pain of our foes while continuing to go to war against them is hypocritical or somewhat schizophrenic imho.

 

To allow Turkish soldiers to pry for their dead, as current friends, is honourable PC adding of prayers is not - it invalidates the fact that soldiers fought and died for something.

 

Would we fly national socialist flags s we remember WW2? or pray Gott Mit Uns?   Some things go too far.

 

 

 

 


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