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  # 2232122 7-May-2019 08:59
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Its interesting to see that a lot of shops still sell the model 1

 

 

 

Out of interest, does anyone own one, and what functionality has been lost by missing the current OS?  I presume some of the current apps require current OS?


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  # 2232272 7-May-2019 14:02
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sxz:

 

Its interesting to see that a lot of shops still sell the model 1

 

 

 

Out of interest, does anyone own one, and what functionality has been lost by missing the current OS?  I presume some of the current apps require current OS?

 

 

 

 

I guess if you buy it to listen to say podcasts while out, which for that watch os version you needed to use a third party app. If the app gets updated so it no longer works on the older version of watch OS, you would supposedly  loose the functionality that it had previously. The iphone and watch would probably need to be using the same version of the app to sync content as well. That is if the incompatible app doesn't delete when synced. 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2232280 7-May-2019 14:23
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sxz:

 

Its interesting to see that a lot of shops still sell the model 1

 

 

 

Out of interest, does anyone own one, and what functionality has been lost by missing the current OS?  I presume some of the current apps require current OS?

 

 

 

 

I guess if you buy it to listen to say podcasts while out, which for that watch os version you needed to use a third party app. If the app gets updated so it no longer works on the older version of watch OS, you would supposedly  loose the functionality that it had previously. The iphone and watch would probably need to be using the same version of the app to sync content as well. That is if the incompatible app doesn't delete when synced. 

 

 

 

 

You are right down a rabbit hole in this case I believe. If all software developers were required to keep backward compatibility in everything they did for 3> years, bye bye rapid innovation. 

 

As much as I dislike kicking problems down the road, perhaps the reality is that due to the complexity of the issue, the industry should see how many claims they get and what the actual costs are before determining what they do. 

 

I can see many companies finding that doing business in NZ is going to become less and less attractive and investment will shrivel, prices will rise and the economy will tank.


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  # 2232293 7-May-2019 15:07
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You are right down a rabbit hole in this case I believe. If all software developers were required to keep backward compatibility in everything they did for 3> years, bye bye rapid innovation. 

 

 

 

 

I was meaning if you go into a store, and say I want to buy a watch that I can use to listen to podcasts on while I am out running. The store says that a particular model will work as there are several apps you can get from the app store that will do this. Then a few years later, you find that they will no longer work after  the app is updated to only work on newer devices. I guess anyone buying a device needs to look only at the default apps and features, and hopes that none of those will get removed or be reduced in functionality over time with future watch or phone updates. A podcast app is now built into newer software updates, so maybe more built in apps from the manufacturer is a better solution than relying on third party apps.  Although those features would be software provided by the manufacturer.  Many previous gen smart TVs came with preloaded apps built into the tvs operating system as features, and those have ceased working over time. But I guess those apps could also be considered third party, as they are for services like youtube, but there are workarounds (eg plugging in an apple tv) to get that functionality back to the  TV. But if the product has a closed OS, it is pretty difficult to get a work around, and I think that is part of the problem. It would be good if life cycles of software were specified, like Microsoft does with windows versions. The ironic thing is that new software /games are still being written for old computers, such as the commodore 64, which is a computer that is the best part of 40 years old. So should the innovation be occurring with the OS itself, or the software that is running on the OS.The problem with internet connected devices is that the OS must be constantly updated to remain secure, which wasn't really the case with older computers before the internet. 

 

 


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  # 2232295 7-May-2019 15:11
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sxz:

 

Out of interest, does anyone own one, and what functionality has been lost by missing the current OS?  I presume some of the current apps require current OS?

 

 

 

 

I am guessing all the default apple apps continue to work. eg The music app on the watch would still be compatible with the music app on the iphone  ios 13, to enable it to sync. 


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  # 2234121 9-May-2019 21:12
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I wish we as a society would take more care over producing gadgets that didn't turn into e-waste when updates stopped.

 

I remember the good old days when CyanogenMod would run on most Androids I'd consider buying (starting with my ADP1) ... now, there are zillions of models and the DIY updates tend to only come out for the high end ones.

 

The FairPhone model sounded great (easily repairable, long term support, designed for longevity over features) but of course doesn't do band 28 LTE...


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  # 2234171 9-May-2019 23:41
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I wish we as a society would take more care over producing gadgets that didn't turn into e-waste when updates stopped.

 

I remember the good old days when CyanogenMod would run on most Androids I'd consider buying (starting with my ADP1) ... now, there are zillions of models and the DIY updates tend to only come out for the high end ones.

 

The FairPhone model sounded great (easily repairable, long term support, designed for longevity over features) but of course doesn't do band 28 LTE...

 

 

 

 

This is also tied into the whole 'right to repair' thing. Many devices with sealed in batteries are designed to be thrown away, as the battery isn't designed to last any longer than the device itself. So when the battery is failing, it is often time to 'upgrade'.  NZ feels proud of itself for banning plastic bags,  but here is so much more waste we produce, not including the elaborate packing tech often comes in these days. The thing is that often PCs don't have this 2-3 year upgrade cycle like phones have. Maybe that is because it is a more mature technology, but phones seem to have reached that peak too over the last 3-5 years in terms of what they can do. For example, an iphone 5s which his 6 years old and still gets the most recent iOS version, can still do much of what an iphone Xs can do, albeit slower. But that doesn't store some android manufacturers only supporting android phone software updates for only 2-3 years.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2234415 10-May-2019 11:33
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I can understand that someone would have an expectation of OS updates for the Apple watch to be more like 5 years based on the how long Apple provides updates to iPhones and iPads. So having support be discontinued after a much short period of time would have been unexpected.


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  # 2234469 10-May-2019 13:46
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I can understand that someone would have an expectation of OS updates for the Apple watch to be more like 5 years based on the how long Apple provides updates to iPhones and iPads. So having support be discontinued after a much short period of time would have been unexpected.

 

 

 

 

I agree, it is one reason I buy apple. Hope the series 1 and 2 aren't going to get dropped this year, as the new features in watch os look quite good.  Apparently this years new ios will drop the 5s, 6 and 6s, which is 3 generations in one year, so the iphone 6s would only get 3-4 years, which is less than the trend. But I can't see the 6s being dropped this year, becuase they only stopped selling it on apples store near the  end of 2018, (and still being sold new in retail stores today) and it  is still quite a powerful phone compared to the 5s and 6. 

 

But it wouldn't be unprecedented, because the original ipad only got ios updates for a few years, as did earlier ipod touches, and early ipod touch users did used to have to pay for ios upgrades, to get the newer features, I recall it was about $20 to get the upgrade.


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