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  # 2242007 21-May-2019 07:44
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Well .. where does she actually live? City/town? It might be the same place (or at least near) where my wife is from (and I've visited).

 

My brief bio: grew up on a dairy farm north of Whangarei, uni in the Tron, 30 years in IT in Wellington. Got a remote work contract with Samsung Research in Moscow Jul '14. Visited Moscow for two weeks (and Ukraine for one week) Dec '14, offered permanent job. Moved to Moscow April '15. Left Moscow to work for a RISC-V startup in SF Bay Area April '18 (via short term stays working remotely from Paihia and Nadi while waiting A YEAR for the visa). Moved to USA April '19.

 

I met a Russia woman in Moscow -- ok, I met a *lot* of women in Moscow, but I married one -- and she's been living with me in Moscow, NZ, Fiji, and now USA. It's now 23 months since we met and 18 1/2 months since we married in early Nov '17.

 

She applied for a NZ visa just after marrying and in Dec '17 got a 9 month multiple-entry tourist visa. We visited NZ in Jan '18, and then moved to NZ in April. As the tourist visa came to an end she applied for another visa and they gave a 12 month work visa, which she still has. I don't know what we will do about future NZ visas -- we plan to move permanently to NZ eventually, but right now we have fresh new H-1B and H-4 visas to live in the USA for the next 2-5 years. I expect going straight to PR will be easy at that point, but there is the question of visiting NZ at xmas etc in the meantime.

 

Some messages here say there is a bias against giving visas to Russians. If there is then I haven't noticed it -- or it must be really easy for everyone else!

 

Safety in Russia: avoid Chechnya and Dagestan unless you really know what you're doing, or are with locals who really know what they are doing. And their neighbour Ingushetia. North Ossetia is generally ok and if you're going to drive between Russia and Georgia then you have to do it somehow :-) My wife grew up around Pyatigorsk, which is in Russia about 400 km or 6 hours drive from Tbilisi the capital of Georgia. Her parents are still there and I've visited for a few days. Natalia lived in Moscow since university, but in recent years has ridden her motorcycle from Moscow as far as Kazan (800 km east) and Tbilisi (2000 km south).

 

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OK, I guess that says something about safety. That, or her risk profile I guess.

 

As for the rest of Russia -- the part that isn't full of crazy Muslim extremists -- I would say it's safe. Certainly Moscow and St Petersburg are super-safe. I don't know if they're NZ-safe, but they're at least much better than London, Paris, Rome, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles. And it's the central parts that are the most safe. People live in the centres and they are the most expensive places to live. I think the other thirty or so cities with population around a million are similar. Definitely Kazan is (I visited there a few times).

 

The fact is, 99.99% of people are just trying to live a quiet life, raise their kids etc.

 

The biggest problem is simply that outside of the large cities it becomes more and more unlikely that you'll meet anyone who speaks English. It definitely pays to know at least a few hundred words of Russian, even if you have awful grammar and accent. I'm a slow learner, and only needed Russian for shops and restaurants etc. Once I'd been there for a year or so I got to the point that I could say something like the equivalent of .. I don't know "excuse me, please, I need repair balloon of my bicycle" (which is maybe less strange in Russian because they seem to use the same word for balloon and inner tube).

 

If you're a reasonably average looking European-descent NZer and you're casually dressed then Russians won't even realise you're not Russian until you open your mouth. I had people on the street in Moscow asking me for directions, in Russian, from my very first day there. It was a big day when I knew what they were looking for, knew where it was, and could give directions in Russian. If you're more than about 20 km from Red Square then people will be, basically, shocked to find a foreigner alone. But they will instantly be super helpful.

 

The same might not apply if you look like you come from somewhere between .. let's say .. Turkey and Mongolia. There is quite a lot of prejudice against people from those regions in Russia, and I think they get a lot of unfair attention from the police too (I never once spoke to a policeman on the street in three years).


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  # 2242110 21-May-2019 10:11
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@Tealeaf Just to be clear... this woman you met while travelling.... you did actually meet her, physically, right? This isn't an online romance, is it? Because, if not, this sounds suspiciously like a romance scam to me. Even if you did meet her, I still wouldn't rule out a scam. Some scams have involved getting the victim to another country, where they're separated from any support and essentially helpless and totally dependent on the scammers. To rule out the whole scam thing, I'd like to know a bit more about the circumstances of your meeting and subsequent romance.

 

I don't know a lot about immigration and visas, but my understanding is that if *you* have the money and agree to to support her, she can come to NZ as a visitor, so you don't need to send her the money. I expect that she would need a return ticket though.

 

Call me paranoid if you like, but beware that going to Georgia, maybe even just asking about going there, will possibly put you on a GCSB/SIS/NSA/[other Govt spying/monitoring agency] watchlist as a potential Muslim/ISIS/Al Qaeda terrorist recruit.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 2242119 21-May-2019 10:22
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Call me paranoid if you like, but beware that going to Georgia, maybe even just asking about going there, will possibly put you on a GCSB/SIS/NSA/[other Govt spying/monitoring agency] watchlist as a potential Muslim/ISIS/Al Qaeda terrorist recruit.

 

 

Georgians are >80% christians.

 

 





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  # 2242121 21-May-2019 10:24
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Totally agree some people on here have made some similar types of generalizations about the UAE. As someone living in the UAE the reality is quite different to the media stories.

 

 

 

I haven't been to either but Georgia is a very popular holiday destination from the UAE and almost universally popular.

 

 

 

 

I lived & worked in the UAE for 6 years and I would argue (sensationalist tabloid media aside) it is *exactly* like the more thoughtful press would have you believe!

 

Enjoy the good bits (of which there are plenty), make good friends and earn good money, but don't be under any illusions that compared to much of the Western world it is - legislatively speaking at least - an inherently patriarchal, racist, sexist, classist, homophobic, bigoted, nepotistic, venal and xenophobic State...

 

Philosophically speaking of course, there are many (perhaps the majority?) people living there who certainly wouldn't fall into many, if any of the above labels and I can only assume (and hope) that this will continue to improve the place via osmosis.

 

I would recommend never getting too comfortable there though as it only takes a moment's slip to end up in a position you would never want to find yourself in and never forget who has all the wasta (hint - it isn't you)





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  # 2242123 21-May-2019 10:25
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Sorry if this sounds a bit mercenary, but ...

 

If ever you want a government-sector job in any of the 5-eyes countries - including NZ, of course - or any of the NATO countries, and that job needs a security clearance, then having a Russian spouse / partner / long-term girlfriend is almost certainly "yeah ... nah", or just "nah". Georgia, ditto.
Same would apply for a job with a firm contracting into one of these sensitive government areas

 

Sorry

 

 

huh? I've got couple mates working in wellington (one girl worked in parliament) for NZ government. I know Russian cops, some in the army too.

 

 

 

 

So, I have no doubt that you have a couple of mates working for government, but did their jobs require security clearance (SIS does this). 


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  # 2242124 21-May-2019 10:27
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kobiak:

 

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To add - and generalise - Russia is a big, scary unpredictable beast with a very dubious stance on human rights, personal and political freedoms and international relationships.

 

I would love to visit for a short while, but don't think I would ever want to live in it, or in any counties on its borders who could end up either on the menu or caught in the cross-fire...

 

 

holy moly. some generalisation and propaganda here :D

 

see it first, and make judgments later. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which bits would you disagree with?

 

I checked in and my Russian colleagues agreed with my statement! (one of whom is currently fuming that as a 27 year old female she is needing to get her father's signed permission on a Visa application...)

 

Note I say nothing about the general populace - all of whom that I have met have been lovely, but comment only on the State itself.





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  # 2242125 21-May-2019 10:28
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@frankv:

 

@Tealeaf Just to be clear... this woman you met while travelling.... you did actually meet her, physically, right? This isn't an online romance, is it? Because, if not, this sounds suspiciously like a romance scam to me. Even if you did meet her, I still wouldn't rule out a scam. Some scams have involved getting the victim to another country, where they're separated from any support and essentially helpless and totally dependent on the scammers. To rule out the whole scam thing, I'd like to know a bit more about the circumstances of your meeting and subsequent romance.

 

 

Hence my advise on the previous page here.





 
 
 
 


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  # 2242129 21-May-2019 10:38
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kobiak:

 

PolicyGuy:

 

Sorry if this sounds a bit mercenary, but ...

 

If ever you want a government-sector job in any of the 5-eyes countries - including NZ, of course - or any of the NATO countries, and that job needs a security clearance, then having a Russian spouse / partner / long-term girlfriend is almost certainly "yeah ... nah", or just "nah". Georgia, ditto.
Same would apply for a job with a firm contracting into one of these sensitive government areas

 

Sorry

 

 

huh? I've got couple mates working in wellington (one girl worked in parliament) for NZ government. I know Russian cops, some in the army too.

 

 

So, I have no doubt that you have a couple of mates working for government, but did their jobs require security clearance (SIS does this). 

 

 

Have no idea, I replied to a government-sector job blurb. I'd assume there're different level of security clearances for different jobs, but the bold statement, that it would make it impossible to work for government - nonsense. worked on government projects myself on outsourced projects and inhouse (ird, nzta). no security checks :D 

 

NZ been so small, one way or another there're foreigners involved either inhouse, contractors, etc especially in IT sector. 





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Have no idea, I replied to a government-sector job blurb. I'd assume there're different level of security clearances for different jobs, but the bold statement, that it would make it impossible to work for government - nonsense. worked on government projects myself on outsourced projects and inhouse (ird, nzta). no security checks :D 

 

NZ been so small, one way or another there're foreigners involved either inhouse, contractors, etc especially in IT sector. 

 

 

This is what they said...

 

If ever you want a government-sector job ... AND that job needs a security clearance

 

You can't simply ignore the AND in a logical assertion . 

 

I trust you don't work in IT :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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@Item, I'd say the state of freedom is more limited here in NZ, then in Russia. Needs to be judged on the laws. But i'm not here to argue, you have to experience both to make a comparison. 

 

and cross-fire thingy. people seems to make a generalisation about the ukraine vs russia conflict.  so you would not want to live in Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland (via the Kaliningrad Oblast), Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, the People's Republic of China and North Korea (yeah I would not want to live there too). + US is just 5 km away, Japan is visible too on the good day.

 

>one of whom is currently fuming that as a 27 year old female she is needing to get her father's signed permission on a Visa application

 

what's that about?

 

anyway, it's not about russia, it's about dude trying to sort his life out. and my point is, don't be scared of the country, go for a visit and make a judgement. 





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  # 2242145 21-May-2019 10:58
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kobiak:

 

 

 

anyway, it's not about russia, it's about dude trying to sort his life out. and my point is, don't be scared of the country, go for a visit and make a judgement. 

 

 

 

 

Which was the first thing I said to him as well!

 

The rest was my personal opinion, so it seems we are in agreement as to our recommendation to OP.

 

 

 

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kobiak:

 

Have no idea, I replied to a government-sector job blurb. I'd assume there're different level of security clearances for different jobs, but the bold statement, that it would make it impossible to work for government - nonsense. worked on government projects myself on outsourced projects and inhouse (ird, nzta). no security checks :D 

 

NZ been so small, one way or another there're foreigners involved either inhouse, contractors, etc especially in IT sector. 

 

 

This is what they said...

 

If ever you want a government-sector job ... AND that job needs a security clearance

 

You can't simply ignore the AND in a logical assertion . 

 

I trust you don't work in IT :)

 

 

😂 i wish :(

 

as I said, there're might be different levels of security clearance required. otherwise how the hell of earth 2-or-more citizenship holders would serve in NZ army? and work in parliament and police. 

 

+ customs and immigration officers (that would be some extensive clearance required, right? I've no idea)





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@Tealeaf Just to be clear... this woman you met while travelling.... you did actually meet her, physically, right? This isn't an online romance, is it? Because, if not, this sounds suspiciously like a romance scam to me. Even if you did meet her, I still wouldn't rule out a scam. Some scams have involved getting the victim to another country, where they're separated from any support and essentially helpless and totally dependent on the scammers. To rule out the whole scam thing, I'd like to know a bit more about the circumstances of your meeting and subsequent romance.

 

 

Hence my advise on the previous page here.

 

 

This has some of the signs of a scam. If so, the next stage would be for her to request money in such a way that sounds very reasonable . 

 

It is possible this is not a scam, but you need to figure out a way to prove legitimacy without putting yourself in danger.  The best way would be for her to come here .

 

You seem to have come up with some reasons as to why she cannot come to New Zealand, but I think those reasons are not based in reality. I've met quite a few russians living in New Zealand. 

 

And, if she is in the hotel industry, i believe that she could have a greater chance of success as this type of work is on the government skills shortage list. 


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no regardless of marriage you have to have spent 12 months living together (im pretty sure i read that correctly)

 

 

You're thinking of the Partner of a New Zealander Resident Visa.

 

 

If she wants to work here, and you haven't lived together for 12 months, she should apply for the Partner of a New Zealander Work Visa.

 

 

Alternatively, if she's happy not to work for a while, she can apply for the Partner of a New Zealander Visitor Visa. Means she can't work, but you can live together to get up to the 12 months to enable her to apply for the Partner of a New Zealander Resident Visa.

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😂 i wish :(

 

as I said, there're might be different levels of security clearance required. otherwise how the hell of earth 2-or-more citizenship holders would serve in NZ army? and work in parliament and police. 

 

 

Foreign nationals are permitted to serve in the NZ army.  Foreign nationals are also allowed to work for government and police. 

 

I agree though,  generally she would not be blocked from working in a government job.   Of the total number of government jobs, only a small proportion would need special clearance. 


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