wellygary:

 

frankv:

 

However, the customers have no way of knowing exactly what the emissions are, and even if they went out of their way to find out, have no way (apart from buying shares to become part-owners) of changing what the company does.

 

 

So the people gluing their hands to masterpieces are just doing it for kicks :) ??

 

The entire point of Capitalist-activism is that consumer behaviour/demand drives change.... 

 

Are companies moving from ICE to EV because they want to ?, or is it to make money from consumers who are demanding EV products.....

 

The whole world is talking about "your carbon footprint" which includes products *you* buy...

 

If the owner of the car and oil companies are responsible... then transport emissions are their problem for mine....

 

I would point out that my response was regarding AirNZ, who pretty much have a monopoly on NZ domestic air travel. So there's little incentive for them to change, and little opportunity for consumer behaviour change. I don't believe there's any chance that they'll be flying a 19-seat electric aircraft in 2026, so their press releases are nothing but virtue signalling and greenwashing.

But, generally speaking, if you can't influence capitalists on moral or ethical or social or environmental grounds, then aggregating popular support for legislative change is an option. So democracy is an essential component of keeping capitalists in check. I guess that social media makes it easier to change purchasing behaviour, but there's immense inertia. Which leaves sit-ins and gluing hands to masterpieces. Or revolution, or something.

The whole point of carbon taxes and the like is that the people who damage the environment pay the true cost of whatever they do. If a company's profits depend on polluting (or exploiting workers, or whatever anti-social thing), then they shouldn't be in business.

I guess in the end *everyone* will pay for transport emissions. Either we'll pay more for products/services which have larger carbon footprints because the manufacturers have had to clean up their act or buy carbon credits or pay carbon tax or whatever, or we'll pay taxes ourselves to repair the damage done by manufacturers, or we'll lose amenities and infrastructure.