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  # 2278662 18-Jul-2019 08:41
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cddt:

 

The result couldn't be any worse and they would get a bit of economic stimulus in at the same time.

 

 

Whilst I agree that it would have been better to get it done locally for all sorts of reasons, the result could have been much worse.

 

 


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  # 2278663 18-Jul-2019 08:43
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frankv:

 

cddt:

 

The result couldn't be any worse and they would get a bit of economic stimulus in at the same time.

 

 

Whilst I agree that it would have been better to get it done locally for all sorts of reasons, the result could have been much worse.

 

 

Here's the thing. You don't know for sure.





 
 
 
 


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  # 2278671 18-Jul-2019 08:56
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I see these things as legal corruption until proven otherwise.

 

I wonder who is the person (actual person) that hired and signed the contract with Novopay.

 

I wonder who is the person tendering Novopay to the govt.

 

You connect the two persons and find the link. 

 

It will be a "I'll scratch your back you scratch mine" situation.

 

Or could well be some crazy incompetence on the person choosing the Novopay tender. 

 

Remember Kiwibank's computer upgrade?

 

That smells very similar. Unfortunately a couple of people have gotten very rich and sunbathing on their private island as we speak.





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  # 2278689 18-Jul-2019 09:07
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Batman:

 

I see these things as legal corruption until proven otherwise.

 

Or could well be some crazy incompetence on the person choosing the Novopay tender. 

 

 

Not necessarily corruption. Remember Hanlon's razor:  "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."





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  # 2278698 18-Jul-2019 09:29
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freitasm:

 

chevrolux:

 

The government seems to use Datacom for everything else 'IT related', it boggles the mind we they even went the Novopay route in the first place.

 

 

As above, nope. I work for Intergen and we provide services to the government.

 

 

Fair enough. I just feel like every press release you see about some new flash Government platform it contains 'built by Datacom' in it somewhere. Obviously just a perception.


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  # 2278705 18-Jul-2019 09:35
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chevrolux:

 

Fair enough. I just feel like every press release you see about some new flash Government platform it contains 'built by Datacom' in it somewhere. Obviously just a perception.

 

 

Intergen contract with DIA.

 

Intergen contract with MPI.

 

Intergen Cohesion launch for private organisations, currently with more than 10,000 government users in the public field. 

 

Cohesion content management system.





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  # 2278732 18-Jul-2019 10:10
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freitasm:

 

Batman:

 

I see these things as legal corruption until proven otherwise.

 

Or could well be some crazy incompetence on the person choosing the Novopay tender. 

 

 

Not necessarily corruption. Remember Hanlon's razor:  "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

 

 

Having seen behind the curtain of the public sector, I wish I could upvote this x1000.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2278768 18-Jul-2019 10:47
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chevrolux:

 

The government seems to use Datacom for everything else 'IT related', it boggles the mind we they even went the Novopay route in the first place.

 

 

 

 

From memory Datacom provided the old system and were approached to tender for the new one but declined.


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  # 2278769 18-Jul-2019 10:53
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Geektastic:

 

Still got a way to go before you beat the highest record I know of. Tony Blair (for whom our current PM worked) blew about $30 BILLION equivalent on an IT system for the NHS in the UK ..... that was cancelled before ever actually being used.

 

 

 

Nobody lost their job over that either....

 

 

30 Billion!! 😵 Goodness...


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  # 2278945 18-Jul-2019 13:05
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Batman:

 

I see these things as legal corruption until proven otherwise.

 

 

Nah, plenty of high-level managers making decisions on things that they know nothing about. I see it everywhere.


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  # 2278962 18-Jul-2019 13:21
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MurrayM: Nah, plenty of high-level managers making decisions on things that they know nothing about. I see it everywhere.

 

 

Bingo. I've seen a system that was bought without any input from IT. Then, once it was too late, IT took one look at it and, well, let's just say that a system that ran in IE5 compatibility mode in 2015 was not well-received.


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  # 2278997 18-Jul-2019 13:49
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PolicyGuy:

 

As an ICT professional I'm ashamed and horrified.

 

As a taxpayer I'm appalled and angry

 

 

And as an IT professional you should also not be surprised, especially if you worked in the public sector.


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  # 2279003 18-Jul-2019 13:52
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Batman:

 

I see these things as legal corruption until proven otherwise.

 

I wonder who is the person (actual person) that hired and signed the contract with Novopay.

 

 

Or the analyst that scoped the original project? Or the managers who approved the numerous instances of scope creep?

 

There's a lot of blame on both sides.

 

 


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  # 2279080 18-Jul-2019 14:57
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Given the long history of Govt overspending on IT systems that didnt work, why would anyone really think they would have gotten this right ?


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  # 2279082 18-Jul-2019 15:01
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1101:

 

Given the long history of Govt overspending on IT systems that didnt work, why would anyone really think they would have gotten this right ?

 

 

Maybe because we live in eternal optimism and hope they'll eventually learn from their mistakes? (What fools we are!)


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