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  # 2368712 5-Dec-2019 11:46
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Oblivian:

 

I was under the impression given the automatic charges being adjusted outlined here that during a transition date As ebay are a 'marketplace' that trade over 60k/yr to NZ. If they've not had a chance to obtain it and declare correctly on the SID the GST actioned. Customs could grab and charge under the new LVI? Else there could be some heavy capitilising in the last week of Nov

 

 

I haven't read the legislation/regulations, but I doubt any specific process has been defined for the changeover period. Certainly nothing published by the IRD or Customs has covered that specific scenario. Under the old rules, GST became payable when the item arrived in NZ. If the item wasn't in NZ before December 1 and no specific process was defined, the new rules must be applied.


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  # 2368749 5-Dec-2019 13:15
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debo:

 

i bought two items separately on 29th.  both shipped and charged during the 2nd.  the first item shipped had tax,  the second item did not.  Luckily the second item was the expensive one.

 

 

This may have something to do with Amazon's "Pre-order Price Guarantee". I had two open pre-orders which have both been dispatched this week. One changed price and has had GST applied (unfortunately, the GST is a few dollars more than the price drop!). The other did not change price and has not had GST applied.

 

Did either of your orders change in price between ordering and shipping?


 
 
 
 


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  # 2368777 5-Dec-2019 14:18
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"for those who import goods (including clothes and shoes) into the country from smaller retailers or wholesalers you will now no longer be charged any duty or GST on your imports providing you stay under the $1000 threshold"

Just to clarify as I'm still bamboozled, does AliExpress count as a wholesaler that is registered of $60k annual to NZ? The only time I shop overseas is from AliExpress and it's a marketplace of individual retailers in one platform as I'm aware. Eg. I'm looking at a small seller who is selling a PC component for $150 with shipping included but at checkout it automatically adds the 15% GST so total $172.50. The thing is that the seller's store is so small that they wouldn't be selling 60k annually to customers in NZ. They are selling from AliExpress so I understand the GST being added but does each individual retailer that sells on AliExpress count as one whole company?


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  # 2368794 5-Dec-2019 14:26
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Aliexpress will invoice you GST as they are the payment processor. They are over the top of all sales. It's like Amazon.

 

 


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  # 2368798 5-Dec-2019 14:33
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You used the exact terminology in your query - marketplace 

 

The rules apply to overseas businesses selling low-value goods directly to New Zealand consumers, as well as online marketplaces and re-deliverers
- a recent post had someone on the lookout to bypass GST.. it doesn't work like that. Especially with forwarders as outlined.

 

For the most part, a lot of the marketplaces are also funds middleman. Not releasing until you confirm delivery and have no qualms with the retailer. So they try hard to please/replace


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  # 2368805 5-Dec-2019 14:49
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So far, neither of the two orders of photographic stuff I've made from companies in the USA have had GST added but both were from relatively small retailers who probably just won't bother.





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  # 2369683 6-Dec-2019 15:46
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After two days I finally got an email from Amazon claiming they'll refund the tax back to me within 3-5 working days.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2369688 6-Dec-2019 15:51
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The "3-5 working days" took about 6 hours for mine.


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  # 2369706 6-Dec-2019 16:23
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networkn:

 

Aliexpress will invoice you GST as they are the payment processor. They are over the top of all sales. It's like Amazon.

 

 

 

 

I also wonder if the government are applying a doubles standard here, Since a marketplace is not the person selling the goods they are just a middleman. Therefore GST should be charged only if an individual seller in the marketplace exceeds the 60k threshold. Therefore usually shouldn't it be up to each individual seller on the market place to actually pay GST?

 

If this is not the case there seems to be a double standard, this is because  as far as I know Trade me doesn't seem to charge GST for any items transacted through them, they leave it up to any companies to sort that out.


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  # 2369707 6-Dec-2019 16:26
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Arano:

 

I also wonder if the government are applying a doubles standard here, Since a marketplace is not the person selling the goods they are just a middleman. Therefore GST should be charged only if an individual seller in the marketplace exceeds the 60k threshold. Therefore usually shouldn't it be up to each individual seller on the market place to actually pay GST?

 

If this is not the case there seems to be a double standard, this is because  as far as I know Trade me doesn't seem to charge GST for any items transacted through them, they leave it up to any companies to sort that out.

 

 

Are you looking at international sellers on trademe or local ones? I did get an email about something to do with adding GST a while back, but I hardly ever use tradme now so ignored it.





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  # 2369711 6-Dec-2019 16:34
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Teelo:

 

That shouldn't give them an excuse to change the price without my agreement, though. It also doesn't change the order day. Being the subject of GST should be based on order day, not shipping day.

 

 

 

 

Hmm, I got hit with the same thing today - ordered on 28 Nov but card only charged today - I can now see a charge on my credit card for the amount + GST.  Oddly the order status on the amazon site still doesn't say shipped, and still lists the GST free amount.  Because it's not marked as shipped I'm tempted to cancel it (the order management page still gives that option because it's not shipped)  I have since found the main item on the order locally anyway and with the GST the cost is pretty similar... 

 

 

Just to let anyone know who was curious. Amazon refunded the charged GST, after I emailed Amazon's customer service with the screen shot of the November transaction I confirmed, side by side with the invoice they had amended prior to shipping and charging.  I got an email informing me of a refund for the additional charge (equal to the GST value). I did have to send about 4 emails and complain that they were not answering my query and instead just giving me a canned response copy and pasted from their wiki. However I am happy that they have finally refunded me and decided to abide by the amount I confirmed at the checkout. Hopefully they will be as accommodating when my USB memory stick arrives and I have to complain about it being a fake. 


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  # 2369712 6-Dec-2019 16:36
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Arano:

 

networkn:

 

Aliexpress will invoice you GST as they are the payment processor. They are over the top of all sales. It's like Amazon.

 

 

 

 

I also wonder if the government are applying a doubles standard here, Since a marketplace is not the person selling the goods they are just a middleman. Therefore GST should be charged only if an individual seller in the marketplace exceeds the 60k threshold. Therefore usually shouldn't it be up to each individual seller on the market place to actually pay GST?

 

If this is not the case there seems to be a double standard, this is because  as far as I know Trade me doesn't seem to charge GST for any items transacted through them, they leave it up to any companies to sort that out.

 

 

No double standard. Aliexpress take a cut.

 

 


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  # 2369715 6-Dec-2019 16:40
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Arano:

 

I also wonder if the government are applying a doubles standard here, Since a marketplace is not the person selling the goods they are just a middleman. Therefore GST should be charged only if an individual seller in the marketplace exceeds the 60k threshold. Therefore usually shouldn't it be up to each individual seller on the market place to actually pay GST?

 

If this is not the case there seems to be a double standard, this is because  as far as I know Trade me doesn't seem to charge GST for any items transacted through them, they leave it up to any companies to sort that out.

 

 

Are you looking at international sellers on trademe or local ones? I did get an email about something to do with adding GST a while back, but I hardly ever use tradme now so ignored it.

 

 

I am referring to both international and local sellers, I have never been invoiced for any GST when I transacted via Trade me 


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  # 2369716 6-Dec-2019 16:42
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networkn:

 

Arano:

 

networkn:

 

Aliexpress will invoice you GST as they are the payment processor. They are over the top of all sales. It's like Amazon.

 

 

 

 

I also wonder if the government are applying a doubles standard here, Since a marketplace is not the person selling the goods they are just a middleman. Therefore GST should be charged only if an individual seller in the marketplace exceeds the 60k threshold. Therefore usually shouldn't it be up to each individual seller on the market place to actually pay GST?

 

If this is not the case there seems to be a double standard, this is because  as far as I know Trade me doesn't seem to charge GST for any items transacted through them, they leave it up to any companies to sort that out.

 

 

No double standard. Aliexpress take a cut.

 

 

 

 

If Aliexpress take a cut, then GST should only be applicable to their Cut and only if their cut exceeds 60k on transactions to NZ


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  # 2369721 6-Dec-2019 16:54
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Arano:

 

I am referring to both international and local sellers, I have never been invoiced for any GST when I transacted via Trade me 

 

 

For local sellers they have no need to, as the IRD can enforce that themselves by simply getting sales data from trademe on anyone they suspect is over the threshold.

 

 





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