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  # 2363835 1-Dec-2019 08:50
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Yes, eBay and Amazon is still added.  

 

 

 


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  # 2363842 1-Dec-2019 09:27
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AliExpress just added GST to my order.

 

What I don't see is a way to generate a GST tax receipt that can be used to claim back the tax for a GST registered business.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2363853 1-Dec-2019 10:19
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Just checked my order from amazon the other day, was 380 (already paid).  Same order today is now 437 (GST has been added)


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  # 2363925 1-Dec-2019 12:03
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Behodar:

 

The "New Zealand Taxation Office"?

 

 

Ctrl-F "Australian", replace "New Zealand". Just lucky it didn't end up saying "New Zealandn Taxation Office".


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  # 2364000 1-Dec-2019 13:29
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Elgin:

 

AliExpress just added GST to my order.

 

What I don't see is a way to generate a GST tax receipt that can be used to claim back the tax for a GST registered business.

 

 

 

 

Maybe like NZ Trademe you don't need a formal invoice.  business.govt.nz said that Trademe purchases were OK to be claimed as GST maybe just the eBay receipt email?  


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  # 2364003 1-Dec-2019 13:35
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Re: eBay stuff from Japan, GST is not added.  But China and USA is ... not sure if things are not set up across the board yet or if different areas of eBay are different? 


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  # 2364006 1-Dec-2019 13:39
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Just checked on Amazon. Watch I purchased 2 days ago was 380 now 437 (gst is now added) also the same on dicksmith website.

 
 
 
 


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  # 2364116 1-Dec-2019 17:36
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So I've been checking some of the smaller sites.

 

HobbyKing do seem to be collecting GST, they even show the all inclusive price when browsing, on the product price page etc. (Same for Australia and I assume the EU and maybe some others.) 

 

Etsy, Gear Best*, BangGood do collect GST for Australia, but at the moment none seem to be doing it for NZ. Mind you, I think they may have been slightly slow for Australia as well and it's only day one.

 

It's also possible that they don't have enough sales here although I'd be surprised by that for the latter 2. $60000 is only 300 $200 phones or tablets or drones or whatever. BangGood do have an Australian warehouse likely making it more difficult to simply ignore Australian law. Gear Best don't seem to, they do have a specialised express delivery service for Australia which could be impacted although that's likely more complicated. Of course it's easily possible all 3 are either already planning to add it and are just slow or will once the NZ government starts complaining. Maybe they're also interpreting it as they don't have to add register until they've made $60,000 in sales from December 1st. 

 

Book Depository due to their infamous 'we want to show you one all inclusive worldwide price so will show you a different price depending on where you seem to be coming from, it would be good if you don't use a VPN' policy, it's hard to tell especially since I didn't record prices beforehand. But from some tests, I don't think they've increased prices for NZ yet. Of course they could still end up paying it and just eating the loss until they fix that. Even if they operate independently, I'd be surprised if Amazon would let them not comply. And I doubt they're under the limit even more than the other ones. (An elderly relative who does very little online shopping does do it with them, and due to the kind of books he's buying they can be quite expensive.) 

 

DealExtreme, GeekBuying, BuyinCoins, these don't collect for Australia AFAICT based on my own testing so doubt they will do it for NZ. (I did test 1 or 2 for NZ.) 

 

P.S. Never used it before but I found Etsy's website design fairly annoying. I ended up having to supply a working card just to properly test if they were going to add GST or not for Australia as it kept trying to make delivery to NZ even when I changed their settings to Australia, and then it doesn't actually show a price for your address until you set up payment. On the plus side, it didn't require me to formally sign up for an account unlike some of the others although I think may have created one with a temporary password. 

 

P.P.S. Found out while doing this that Tiny deal* is dead. 

 

*Hopefully it's okay for me to mention them like this, I'm not trying to promote them in any way.


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  # 2364220 1-Dec-2019 20:34
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Clove.co.uk are a good supplier of cellphones and have always deducted UK VAT for overseas purchasers.  Just checked and they're not adding NZ GST, so as an example a Nokia 7.2 comes in at $419NZD delivered compared to $627NZD on amazon.com.  


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  # 2364222 1-Dec-2019 20:37
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Elgin:

 

AliExpress just added GST to my order.

 

What I don't see is a way to generate a GST tax receipt that can be used to claim back the tax for a GST registered business.

 

 

I assume you haven't read the IRD website and understand the differences between B2B and B2C transactions and how these should be handled?

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Dumb question but does this mean that the GST threshold has increased to $1,000 for items from websites which don't add GST?


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  # 2364249 1-Dec-2019 22:10
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In hindsight it occurred to me I was being silly and Bookdepository does of course show you whether they are collecting GST when you reach the payment page and indeed they are. 

 

Also the book I looked at before has now gone up in price which could be because of GST although others are still the same but I have no idea what most of them were like in the past. I guess considering the way Book Depository works, and that they prices are always a dark art, it's likely some already went up even before the new system came into play and others will go up over time depending on a bunch of things probably including advertising, and it doesn't really matter much to them. 

 

I think I've noticed this before but forgot. Because of the way they work, the price does change if you change delivery country if there is a change in VAT/GST. The only thing that doesn't change is the hidden shipping fee etc cost which they vary depending on country but hide from you. It occurs to me that this means the way (I think) a lot of people compare prices doesn't work/never has. If you just use Booko or whatever or a VPN and look at the displayed price with adjusted currency, you may not find the cheapest price. You need to take into account the GST/VAT change, either by calculating it or by going to the checkout page and choosing the right shipping location. E.g. If you look at Denmark (or NZ now) the prices are going to seem higher than the UK because of the VAT difference. When you ship somewhere else, your price will reduce if you are paying less or no VAT due to the destination country. 

 

logo:

 

Dumb question but does this mean that the GST threshold has increased to $1,000 for items from websites which don't add GST?

 

 

Yes although pretty sure that's been asked and answer many times before with more discussion. 


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  # 2364255 1-Dec-2019 22:37
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sbiddle:

 

Elgin:

 

AliExpress just added GST to my order.

 

What I don't see is a way to generate a GST tax receipt that can be used to claim back the tax for a GST registered business.

 

 

I assume you haven't read the IRD website and understand the differences between B2B and B2C transactions and how these should be handled?

 

 

Correct, I haven't!

 

But when I submit a receipt to our accounts department they do like to see the words "Tax Invoice" at the top along with the vendor's tax id. None of which appear on the AliExpress site a.f.a.i.k.


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  # 2364279 2-Dec-2019 07:15
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Elgin:

 

sbiddle:

 

Elgin:

 

AliExpress just added GST to my order.

 

What I don't see is a way to generate a GST tax receipt that can be used to claim back the tax for a GST registered business.

 

 

I assume you haven't read the IRD website and understand the differences between B2B and B2C transactions and how these should be handled?

 

 

Correct, I haven't!

 

But when I submit a receipt to our accounts department they do like to see the words "Tax Invoice" at the top along with the vendor's tax id. None of which appear on the AliExpress site a.f.a.i.k.

 

 

In that case I suggest you read the IRD website to understand the processes required for B2B transactions and the options for overseas retailers because it doesn't work the way you're assuming it does. Not all retailers are going to work in the same way with the main option being for them to not collect GST when provided with a GST number for purchases from a GST registered business in NZ, vs issuing a tax invoice.

 

 


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  # 2364489 2-Dec-2019 11:40
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sbiddle:

 

In that case I suggest you read the IRD website to understand the processes required for B2B transactions and the options for overseas retailers because it doesn't work the way you're assuming it does. Not all retailers are going to work in the same way with the main option being for them to not collect GST when provided with a GST number for purchases from a GST registered business in NZ, vs issuing a tax invoice.

 

 

 

 

Aliexpress does not provide a means to provide them with a GST number in order to elide (or refund) the GST.

 

They are still required to produce a GST receipt, this page about the low value rules specifies the requirements for the receipt issued by the vendor (Aliexpress in this case)

 

https://www.ird.govt.nz/gst/gst-for-overseas-businesses/gst-on-low-value-imported-goods/requirements-after-registration

 

IRD:

 

Requirements for receipts

 

Suppliers will need to provide a receipt to consumers if they have charged the consumer GST on some or all of the goods in the transaction. This receipt can then be used as evidence to Customs that GST has already been charged on the goods.

 

For the receipt, you must include the:

 

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    • name and GST number of the supplier
    • date of the supply
    • date of issue of the receipt (if different from the date of the supply)
    • description of the goods supplied
    • price paid for the goods and the amount of GST included, which may be expressed in a foreign currency
    • list of which goods have had GST charged

 

I have not found a way to get a GST receipt from Aliexpress, but I have not asked them, yet.

 

It does say on this page https://www.ird.govt.nz/gst/gst-for-overseas-businesses/gst-on-low-value-imported-goods/when-gst-has-been-charged-twice

 

IRD:

 

Accidentally charging a GST-registered business

 

If an overseas supplier inadvertently charges GST to a GST-registered business, they will likely seek a refund of the GST from the overseas supplier. If the value of the supply is NZ$1,000 or less, the overseas business can choose to provide a tax invoice to the GST-registered business instead of making a refund.

 

 

But as above there is (currently) no way to tell Aliexpress you are GST reg, nor (I guess aside from trying to convince a chatbot, good luck with that) to get a refund of GST from them.  I don't know if the legislation makes it a requirement that such GST refunds come from the vendor rather than being claimed in a GST return as normal.

 

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Addendum

 

https://www.ird.govt.nz/gst/gst-for-overseas-businesses/gst-on-low-value-imported-goods/when-to-charge-gst

 

Also confirms that the supplier can charge GST to businesses if it wants, which implies said business must be able to claim it back, and also confirms that GST receipts are required and must show the GST reg number.

 

So, we need to find a way to get a compliant GST receipt out of Aliexpress or convince them to not charge GST to GST reg entities even though they are within their rights to do so.

 

 





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