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#2349222 7-Nov-2019 08:49

SirHumphreyAppleby:

I disagree. What we have now are potentially far more dangerous than the sky rockets and crackers we had in the past. The solution IMO is to relax the regulations. I know, that sounds absurd, but the majority of calls for a ban are based on two factors; noise and damage.

Over the years we experienced a few product failures (fireworks would shoot through side wall instead of upward) or situations where people did not properly secure multi-shot fireworks to solid ground - the first shot would topple the cartridge, and subsequent shots would be horizontal - usually resulting in flaming balls being shot at people or into buildings.

Rockets were banned because they were considered too dangerous, but, I think these post-ban fireworks are even more dangerous. It is just luck that no one was seriously injured in our case.

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#2349224 7-Nov-2019 08:53

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You always want everything to be free and available. Thats fine. But surely you dont have an objection to paying for the damage you caused? Seems fair and equal to me

You are incorrectly conflating my views on information and physical objects. I support the free availability of information and digital content, and the availability of physical objects, but that doesn't mean I think physical objects should be free. I'd actually have minimal issue with fireworks being taxed to cover those increased costs, if the trade off was that they were freely available to anyone over 18 year round.

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#2349225 7-Nov-2019 08:59

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tdgeek:

You always want everything to be free and available. Thats fine. But surely you dont have an objection to paying for the damage you caused? Seems fair and equal to me

You are incorrectly conflating my views on information and physical objects. I support the free availability of information and digital content, and the availability of physical objects, but that doesn't mean I think physical objects should be free. I'd actually have minimal issue with fireworks being taxed to cover those increased costs, if the trade off was that they were freely available to anyone over 18 year round.

Cool. I imagine the extra cost would be quite prohibitive, given the numbers I quoted are based on a very brief period annually, but thats the price of doing business

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#2349228 7-Nov-2019 09:03

Worlds gone PC mad.

I enjoy Guy Fawkes, is a bit of fun with family and friends - long as you're sensible, nothing should go wrong. When else do you get to play with explosives ? :)

Its just a few screwing it up for everyone else.

As a kid, we had more powerful fireworks etc than whats available these days, yet noone screamed about it then. Was just a right of passage having double happys going off in your hand occasionally and accidentally setting fire to the neighbors hedge :)

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#2349229 7-Nov-2019 09:03

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Cool. I imagine the extra cost would be quite prohibitive, given the numbers I quoted are based on a very brief period annually, but thats the price of doing business

I actually think extra cost would likely reduce the issues.. There is a swathe of cheap crap fireworks out there, and people only have a small window to purchase them. If they were normalised for year round purchase and pricier, I suspect you'd have less issues with idiots doing dumb things.

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#2349230 7-Nov-2019 09:03

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SirHumphreyAppleby:

I disagree. What we have now are potentially far more dangerous than the sky rockets and crackers we had in the past. The solution IMO is to relax the regulations. I know, that sounds absurd, but the majority of calls for a ban are based on two factors; noise and damage.

Over the years we experienced a few product failures (fireworks would shoot through side wall instead of upward) or situations where people did not properly secure multi-shot fireworks to solid ground - the first shot would topple the cartridge, and subsequent shots would be horizontal - usually resulting in flaming balls being shot at people or into buildings.

Rockets were banned because they were considered too dangerous, but, I think these post-ban fireworks are even more dangerous. It is just luck that no one was seriously injured in our case.

Many don't light. They go up and right instead of up. Given the massive regulations for safety we have yet we can set off a poorly and cheaply manufactured explosive, which have high failure rates. My idea of a park with supervision is sound, kids would like that. or a display. Not hard really

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#2349231 7-Nov-2019 09:06

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Worlds gone PC mad.

I enjoy Guy Fawkes, is a bit of fun with family and friends - long as you're sensible, nothing should go wrong. When else do you get to play with explosives ? :)

Its just a few screwing it up for everyone else.

As a kid, we had more powerful fireworks etc than whats available these days, yet noone screamed about it then. Was just a right of passage having double happys going off in your hand occasionally and accidentally setting fire to the neighbors hedge :)

I recall that, but I also recall the photos of injuries, fires, blind people the next day.

Yes, you were cool as you squeezed the DH between two fingers and lit it! :-)

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#2349232 7-Nov-2019 09:06

I don't buy any fireworks nor participate in their use.

I hate how many animals are hurt and scared out of their minds by this every year.

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#2349236 7-Nov-2019 09:12

xpd: As a kid, we had more powerful fireworks etc than whats available these days, yet noone screamed about it then. Was just a right of passage having double happys going off in your hand occasionally and accidentally setting fire to the neighbors hedge :)

Don't forget about the people losing an eye or a hand, or setting fire to the neighbour's house.

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#2349247 7-Nov-2019 09:20

tdgeek:

surfisup1000:

Fireworks is one of those things where you lose interest in them as you get older.

I'm in two minds, I would like them banned. But, people do have the right to enjoy them , as I did when I was a child/teenager.

Maybe a ban on using them outside the guy fawkes sale period would be a compromise?

Some old neighbours used to stock up their garage full of fireworks and would sporadically let them off over a full year .

Who will pay ACC, DHB and the Fire Service costs? If its ok to enjoy them on 5 Nov its ok to enjoy them 24/7 365. Its not about enjoyment its about injuries and damage to people's property. Go to a display

On that basis, we can start banning a lot of things.

Rugby? Motorcycles? Skiing?

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#2349251 7-Nov-2019 09:30

I would like to see the sale to the public stopped and if we are going to have public displays these moved to a time more relevant to New Zealand/Aotearoa Such as Matariki.

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#2349257 7-Nov-2019 09:38

Geektastic:

tdgeek:

surfisup1000:

Fireworks is one of those things where you lose interest in them as you get older.

I'm in two minds, I would like them banned. But, people do have the right to enjoy them , as I did when I was a child/teenager.

Maybe a ban on using them outside the guy fawkes sale period would be a compromise?

Some old neighbours used to stock up their garage full of fireworks and would sporadically let them off over a full year .

Who will pay ACC, DHB and the Fire Service costs? If its ok to enjoy them on 5 Nov its ok to enjoy them 24/7 365. Its not about enjoyment its about injuries and damage to people's property. Go to a display

On that basis, we can start banning a lot of things.

Rugby? Motorcycles? Skiing?

You cant be serious. Rugby? Ok NRL as well. Motorcycles? Ok, cars as well, and so on

Lighting poorly manufactured explosives in densely populated areas full of fire fuel, is slightly different from the risks posed by your car.

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#2349258 7-Nov-2019 09:39

MikeB4: I would like to see the sale to the public stopped and if we are going to have public displays these moved to a time more relevant to New Zealand/Aotearoa Such as Matariki.

I don't disagree but the thread is about Guy Fawkes celebrations

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#2349259 7-Nov-2019 09:42

tdgeek:

Yes, you were cool as you squeezed the DH between two fingers and lit it! :-)

Or cut the end off your red Po-Ha and turn them into matchbox car rockets.. Or perhaps that was just me. Lost a few fingertips in my time

Didn't even go out for some high vantage arty long exposure photography this year - even skipped the main display that often gives only 1-2 chances a year at.

Found it quite tame for once with less TV ads (noted there appeared to be radio and print only this year even for the warehouse?..) Countdown not doing them and people possibly being more conscious of their neighbors

Bar the muppets doing it in windy places un-prepared and causing scrub fires (or firing out of moving cars)

Always preferred to go watch a few grand of someone elses money go up and feel the pressure waves. Rather than spend anything on things they pass off for personal use. May was well light a $20 note and stand in awe watching it melt.

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#2349262 7-Nov-2019 09:45

tdgeek:
MikeB4: I would like to see the sale to the public stopped and if we are going to have public displays these moved to a time more relevant to New Zealand/Aotearoa Such as Matariki.

I don't disagree but the thread is about Guy Fawkes celebrations

The thread has been discussing the yes or no for continuing this. My comment is relevant to the discussion.

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