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# 261403 25-Nov-2019 22:34
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From 9 December 2019, we’re making two changes to our privacy policy.

 

• Previously, if you had opted out under our privacy option, we weren’t able to use your personal information to improve the relevancy and customisation of Trade Me marketing on our sites and apps, or that we send you e.g. by email. We think it’s reasonable, and often expected by customers, that we tailor our own marketing to you, so we’re changing our privacy policy to reflect this.

 

For example, this means we’ll be able to use your personal information to customise a Trade Me Insurance ad to you while you’re on Trade Me Motors.

 

All other functionality of the privacy opt-out will remain the same, and this change only affects you if you’ve previously opted out.

 

• Our second change clarifies that cookie data can sometimes be personal information, but isn’t always. You aren’t able to opt out of us using anonymous cookie data e.g. if we collect cookie data when you’re not logged in, and then use that to remarket to you. But, you can opt out of us using cookie data that is personal information e.g. if we linked cookie data back to your Trade Me account and then used your account information to customise advertising to you.

 

There isn’t any change in our day-to-day practice with this one – we’re just making this clearer within our privacy policy.

 

 

 

 





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  # 2360660 25-Nov-2019 22:34
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Hmmmm. Here we go.





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  # 2360736 26-Nov-2019 07:09
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I got that, and while I think generally that users should accept they are exchanging their privacy to use services for free such as facebook, gmail etc.

 

 

 

In this case users do pay for trademe services, so I think this is a bit off.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2360771 26-Nov-2019 09:14
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Wow. That is 100% greed. Plain and simple. 

 

This is also 100% abusing their market power as the primary auction site in New Zealand.

 

Not even letting you opt-out of data collection/selling for a service you pay to use is one of the most appallingly greedy, selfish and arrogant things I have seen a corporation do for a while. 

 

Instead of taking the moral high ground of being a 'privacy conscious' auction site, they'd rather sell your data for a service you're already paying to use and make even more money off you...

 

 

 

This world is screwed. Anything to make a buck eh?


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  # 2360784 26-Nov-2019 09:35
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Yeah I was rather unimpressed when I got that email. I think it pretty clearly shows that even though we pay trademe, they don't consider the everyday users of the site to be 'customers' (just the product they are on selling to their advertising customers).

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  # 2360791 26-Nov-2019 09:51
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Have told them my views on this. You probably should too if you object.  This will just drive more people, including myself, to offload items on Facebook!  Its a poorly conceived move IMHO.


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  # 2360836 26-Nov-2019 10:45
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I got this as well, and pretty much my interpretation was "You opted out for privacy reasons, which is totally cool, but now we are changing the definition of opted out to not include the things you want to opt out of because we can, but don't worry, you are still opted out, so now everybody wins".

 

nzkc:

 

Have told them my views on this. You probably should too if you object.  This will just drive more people, including myself, to offload items on Facebook!  Its a poorly conceived move IMHO.

 

 

Uhhh... you do realise Facebook is less scrupulous and shameless about mining your data, right?

 

marej:

 

In this case users do pay for trademe services, so I think this is a bit off.

 

 

Although arguably the seller pays, the buyer pays nothing. And this is purely targeted at people buying, to buy more.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2360839 26-Nov-2019 10:47
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I also note the privacy preference settings are not obvious

 

 

 

My trade me - view my trade me - (under) more options

 

 


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  # 2360849 26-Nov-2019 11:01
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ShinyChrome:

 

nzkc:

 

Have told them my views on this. You probably should too if you object.  This will just drive more people, including myself, to offload items on Facebook!  Its a poorly conceived move IMHO.

 

 

Uhhh... you do realise Facebook is less scrupulous and shameless about mining your data, right?

 

 

I do indeed. They're not charging to list items though.  I don't buy/sell much (and never have on Facebook). Ive used TradeMe in the past as a "one man's junk is another man's treasure" kind of approach. List it before ditching it so to speak.


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  # 2360851 26-Nov-2019 11:08
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ShinyChrome:

I got this as well, and pretty much my interpretation was "You opted out for privacy reasons, which is totally cool, but now we are changing the definition of opted out to not include the things you want to opt out of because we can, but don't worry, you are still opted out, so now everybody wins".

 

nzkc:

 

Have told them my views on this. You probably should too if you object.  This will just drive more people, including myself, to offload items on Facebook!  Its a poorly conceived move IMHO.

 

 

Uhhh... you do realise Facebook is less scrupulous and shameless about mining your data, right?

 

marej:

 

In this case users do pay for trademe services, so I think this is a bit off.

 

 

Although arguably the seller pays, the buyer pays nothing. And this is purely targeted at people buying, to buy more.

 

 

Given that the money the seller pays trademe with comes from the buyer. I'd argue that both the buyer and the seller are effectively paying trademe. i.e. if there were no buyers then trademe wouldn't be receiving any money from the sellers.

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  # 2360858 26-Nov-2019 11:21
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nzkc:

 

I do indeed. They're not charging to list items though.  I don't buy/sell much (and never have on Facebook). Ive used TradeMe in the past as a "one man's junk is another man's treasure" kind of approach. List it before ditching it so to speak.

 

 

I must admit, I'm getting a bit over TradeMe now with this. They demand higher fees for their service and take a more hands-off approach. Pretty much paying for the brand now. That is the sort of approach I have taken to it, but it seems more like "one man's treasure is another man's junk" or "one man's junk is another man's junk". I gave Facebook marketplace a go, but it seems to be a lot like the former with even less moderation and more scammers.

 

It would be nice if we had a NZ version of Craigslist (we do actually, but there isn't anything on it really), but unfortunately as TradeMe has shown these aren't run by charities and quickly become about monetizing as much as possible, or like Facebook, it becomes the new frontier.

 

The next best thing is gonna be buy/sell exchanges on special interest forums really.

 

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ShinyChrome:

 

Although arguably the seller pays, the buyer pays nothing. And this is purely targeted at people buying, to buy more.

 

Given that the money the seller pays trademe with comes from the buyer. I'd argue that both the buyer and the seller are effectively paying trademe. i.e. if there were no buyers then trademe wouldn't be receiving any money from the sellers.

 

Fair point, it was a bit of a meaningless distinction on my part in any case. Either way, TM is trying to monetize more of the user interaction.


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  # 2360915 26-Nov-2019 13:15
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And there goes my use of Trademe...THUNK.

 

 


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  # 2360939 26-Nov-2019 14:17
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I am not sure if anyone here creates videos on Youtube, but there have been big changes on that with respect to websites tracking children under 13 for targeted advertising, as there is a US law called COPPA which apparently prevents websites doing this without parents permission. I am not sure if NZ has such laws in regards to websites tracking and tailoring ads to a particular user. But in the US, it could mean that a lot of youtube channels that create kids content could shut down as a result of this, as non targeted ads are not worth anywhere near as much as targeted adverts. . These laws don't seem to be able to keep up with technology. 


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  # 2360970 26-Nov-2019 14:55
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mattwnz:

 

I am not sure if anyone here creates videos on Youtube, but there have been big changes on that with respect to websites tracking children under 13 for targeted advertising, as there is a US law called COPPA which apparently prevents websites doing this without parents permission. I am not sure if NZ has such laws in regards to websites tracking and tailoring ads to a particular user. But in the US, it could mean that a lot of youtube channels that create kids content could shut down as a result of this, as non targeted ads are not worth anywhere near as much as targeted adverts. . These laws don't seem to be able to keep up with technology. 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps this is a case where the law is well in front of technology, the removal of tracking.


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  # 2360991 26-Nov-2019 15:45
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Bring back Weedle hehehehe. Seriously completely disagree with Trade Me there should be a full opt out option.





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