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  #2482677 13-May-2020 12:04
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I would just tell them that you don't have a personal phone that can run apps. 

 

I don't really have a problem with my employer knowing where I am during work hours, but it would have to be a company supplied device that I can turn off outside of work hours.


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  #2482704 13-May-2020 13:03
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I'm a bit difficult. I'd just say "no thanks". And if they persist - "No".
There's no way in hell I'd do it. Work is work. The rest of my life and my phone is none of their business.

 
 
 
 


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  #2482810 13-May-2020 14:53
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If its going to be an issue , just tell them your phone doesnt support it , or your phone is too old , it wouldnt install/work etc
Or tell them they have to pay for a data ph a/c (tell them you are on prepay

 

Its dirt cheap for them to supply a ph for you , for as little as FREE (on contract) , or $20 for a prepay.
Its just the company being cheap, so they can get away with not supplying phones .

 

Its insane to let/expect staff use private ph's for company business .
When the staffer leaves , all the clients/customers he was dealing with will be ringing his personal phone number. So they risk loosing those customers if that staffer is now working for
the opposition , or sacked staffers can badmouth the company when clients ring his personal phone :-) 

 

Also, if have have company email setup on your private ph, how do you feel about IT remote wiping it at any time ?

 

On the other hand, if you do have a company phone, its expected that its allways on, and you allways have it with you (within reason) .

 

 

 

 


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  #2482842 13-May-2020 15:46
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1101:

 

If its going to be an issue , just tell them your phone doesnt support it , or your phone is too old , it wouldnt install/work etc
Or tell them they have to pay for a data ph a/c (tell them you are on prepay

 

Its dirt cheap for them to supply a ph for you , for as little as FREE (on contract) , or $20 for a prepay.
Its just the company being cheap, so they can get away with not supplying phones .

 

Its insane to let/expect staff use private ph's for company business .
When the staffer leaves , all the clients/customers he was dealing with will be ringing his personal phone number. So they risk loosing those customers if that staffer is now working for
the opposition , or sacked staffers can badmouth the company when clients ring his personal phone :-) 

 

Also, if have have company email setup on your private ph, how do you feel about IT remote wiping it at any time ?

 

On the other hand, if you do have a company phone, its expected that its allways on, and you allways have it with you (within reason) .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

in regards to your second to last statement, I’ve got an iPhone that When Covid hit work (I’m a health worker for the local dhb) asked us to be able to remote access our email, so I added the work email via the email app on my iPhone (and my iPad). 
I’m assuming that IT at work wouldn’t be able to wipe my devices if they wanted to, but also by using the iOS email app there’s no data, positional tracking etc. stupid question I know but some of the above comments have me wondering.


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  #2482849 13-May-2020 15:54
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We spend a LOT of timing telling clients that under no circumstances should they ever allow staff to use non-work phones for work. If they need a device for work, it should be owned by the company. The number of times I have seen *serious* employment issues resulting from it, and the number of times I have seen employers lose SO much money as a result of doing it, make the cost of buying phones and plans insignificant. Clients are usually really good, once they start thinking through the complexities of ownership and control, it doesn't take long for it to any longer be considered. 

 

 


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  #2482870 13-May-2020 16:26
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1101:

 

If its going to be an issue , just tell them your phone doesnt support it , or your phone is too old , it wouldnt install/work etc

 

 

Unless your phone doesn't actually support it or is too old, then don't do this. Most employers would be far more concerned about an employee being dishonest with them, than one raising a genuine concern about using a personal device for work.


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  #2482873 13-May-2020 16:30
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One thing that I have raised but fallen on deaf ears is staff using a personal phone to take photos of customer items to email them. Because that means that customer info is now on the personal device and liable to be lost or whatever.

 

But buying a couple of ipod touches for the office was not gonna happen. Sigh.





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  #2482917 13-May-2020 17:19
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So after several emails with People and culture and the Union president.  (People and culture have only replied once with a more information is coming type email).

 

Union president has spoken with privacy officer and has his word that it is only for covid 19 tracking and will not be used for anything else and he is meant to be emailing all staff that this is so.

 

There has been no communication with staff other than the first spam looking email and head of IT saying it isn't spam and a message from the Principal (i'm a teacher at a school)during an online briefing saying that you need to install it or you will have to sign in at reception and there is likely to be quite a line.

 

The thing is I don't really have an issue with installing it just the way that it has been implemented is just so bad it is almost like a manual for how not to do it.

 

How can people and culture be so clueless?  





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  #2482937 13-May-2020 17:41
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  #2482942 13-May-2020 17:49
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blackjack17:

 

So after several emails with People and culture and the Union president.  (People and culture have only replied once with a more information is coming type email).

 

Union president has spoken with privacy officer and has his word that it is only for covid 19 tracking and will not be used for anything else and he is meant to be emailing all staff that this is so.

 

There has been no communication with staff other than the first spam looking email and head of IT saying it isn't spam and a message from the Principal (i'm a teacher at a school)during an online briefing saying that you need to install it or you will have to sign in at reception and there is likely to be quite a line.

 

The thing is I don't really have an issue with installing it just the way that it has been implemented is just so bad it is almost like a manual for how not to do it.

 

How can people and culture be so clueless?  

 

 

If I was inclined to be difficult (and I am) I would request the health and safety plan for managing the line at reception.

 

I would then turn up on the first day, say it was unsafe to stand in the line and request the school to provide me with a safe way to sign in.

 

Many organisations use health and safety as an excuse not to engage effectively with staff. It goes both ways, as soon as you say something is unsafe the organisation has to conduct a proper risk assessment and take it seriously.

 

Introducing new policies by fiat is dumb, even with relatively compliant groups like teachers.


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  #2482987 13-May-2020 18:27
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This whole thing is shocking. I’m just so happy that Facebook, Instagram, Google, Apple, Wechat, Adobe, website cookies, Flybuys, Airpoints etc etc etc don’t track my location.





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  #2483010 13-May-2020 19:00
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blackjack17: Has anyone been asked by their work to install a tracking app on their personal phone to show when they are on location? This morning we received an access code from whos on location to enter when we install the app. There was no discussion about it. ...

 

..., but it appears to be for tracking your location to allow them to know when you are on site ... They haven't said how they are going to collect the information and for what purpose or how long are they going to keep the information. ...

 

We were given the option to install it on our personal phones, or we could use the iPad terminals at various entrance points.

 

As said said elsewhere, communication seems to be severely lacking. Given the rush to be ready for level 2, it's might be understandable, but it is not acceptable.

 

* You can disable GPS tracking completely & manually sign in / out
* You can enable GPS tracking constantly & it will auto sign in / out based on the geo fence around your work
* You can enable GPS tracking while using the app, making the auto sign in possible by simply opening the app when at work
* During an emergency / evacuation if you are registered as being on site, you will get a SMS. You can simply reply if you are safe. If you don't reply, your status is not updated & then hopefully fire warden / men / medics will come looking for you
* The legacy app feels like a wrapper around a web page
* I've disabled "Motion & Fitness" access on the iPhone
* The Android permissions seem a lot more excessive

 

 

 

blackjack17: A big thing about the privacy statements and all that is I am not their customer, my employer is. I have no idea what the app is or who does it work. Is it collecting my location all the time. ...

 

Very true, your employer is the customer of Whos on location. You would hope that your information which is part of the batch of info belonging to your employer is therefore sufficiently protected. See my other comments about how the app works.





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Loismustdye: ...I’m assuming that IT at work wouldn’t be able to wipe my devices if they wanted to, but also by using the iOS email app there’s no data, positional tracking etc. stupid question I know but some of the above comments have me wondering.

 

The above comments should have you worried. A good starting point is to look at Settings > General > Profile / Device Management > Configuration Profile / Mobile Device Management. See any certs there not relating to email? Another thing is that currently, there is no separation into e.g. work / personal containers. That means spill over from one area into the other is possible. If work sends a wipe command, it possibly will wipe the entire phone, not just the "work related" material.

 

richms: I would say that is a no, ...
chevrolux: Yea eff that. ...
kyhwana2: Hell no, ...

 

You & I say no, but here are some counter arguments

 

* Now, in after COVID-19 (AC) times, who wants to touch pen & paper to sign in? I'd rather handle my own device than something public like that
* There are people who just don't care. They don't even care enough to listen to you explain the options so that they can make an informed ddecision.
* No waiting in line of 20-100 people, all waiting to sign in at 07:59
* Disable GPS tracking for the app & simply use it to manually sign in using your own device. It's handy to be able to sign out of the location when you are already home & realise you accidentally forgot to sign out.
* How many other apps have you already voluntarily installed that do exactly the same as this app? & More are coming. Your favourite bar / restaurant / night club / movie theatre will need something similar. The likes of hotels & airlines will integrate this into their loyaly card / app soon enough.

 

 





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Senecio: To the OP. Your company have handled this very poorly. Poor communication and I don't believe they can insist on employees installing anything on their personal devices. Do you have swipe tags or electronic keys for gate/door entry? That should suffice for registering who is on site for future contact tracing if required.

 

Agreed, better communication is definitely required. Swipe tag & electronic key records are not enough if they are stored on site & the building is going up in flames. A Wol supervisor can do a staff count with the app on his/her mobile phone.

 

tripp: ... The place I am currently at is using their sign in/out visitor management system which staff now need to login too when onsite (seems like a logical system to use and most companies have it for H&S reasons).

 

Our visitor management system is Whos on location & we are already using it for staff sign ins. Nothing new for us. Working on a major hazards facility site requires us to know which staff are on site.





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  #2483032 13-May-2020 19:09
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BlinkyBill:

This whole thing is shocking. I’m just so happy that Facebook, Instagram, Google, Apple, Wechat, Adobe, website cookies, Flybuys, Airpoints etc etc etc don’t track my location.

To me the tracking is the lesser issue. It's still bad because it wasn't a choice.
The worst part (for me) is a company saying "Install this on your personal device now kthnx" with no other explanation, consultation or information.

From this point on, I'd be requiring everything in writing or I would not comply. But then I am in a position to be able to do that.




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