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#2671538 11-Mar-2021 10:26

I'm outraged I'm allowed to buy petrol because:

a) If I drink it, I die.

b) If I tip it on my head and light a match, I die.

This is why I fill up my car using a 15" bargepole to manoeuvre the petrol pump apparatus.

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#2671540 11-Mar-2021 10:29

elpenguino:

PDL make a module which integrates with their hot points. I've got a couple in the kitchen/dining where it's handy to sit devices on the bench. It's 1.2 Amp per USB but then I charge overnight so speed is not an issue for me.

https://www.pdl.co.nz/products/detail?CatNo=PDL642MUSB&gclid=Cj0KCQiA1pyCBhCtARIsAHaY_5eLm-cfjydvlyeZEYlgczwIL_4oFEBBzflJcdHMMUwZbeKphigUGLkaAilYEALw_wcB&tab-document-1=0

Has the benefit of being from a reputable manufacturer which might help you sleep at night.

From memory, each module is in the order of $35. The module is somewhat bulky but I was still able to fit two in the flush box for a double hotpoint.

those are fine, you just need to get a socket outlet with an additional switch and pop out the switch.

one thing, the older ones don't fit in the horizontal version (without a bit of Stanley knife work)

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#2671671 11-Mar-2021 12:52

mdooher:

elpenguino:

PDL make a module which integrates with their hot points. I've got a couple in the kitchen/dining where it's handy to sit devices on the bench. It's 1.2 Amp per USB but then I charge overnight so speed is not an issue for me.

https://www.pdl.co.nz/products/detail?CatNo=PDL642MUSB&gclid=Cj0KCQiA1pyCBhCtARIsAHaY_5eLm-cfjydvlyeZEYlgczwIL_4oFEBBzflJcdHMMUwZbeKphigUGLkaAilYEALw_wcB&tab-document-1=0

Has the benefit of being from a reputable manufacturer which might help you sleep at night.

From memory, each module is in the order of $35. The module is somewhat bulky but I was still able to fit two in the flush box for a double hotpoint.

those are fine, you just need to get a socket outlet with an additional switch and pop out the switch.

one thing, the older ones don't fit in the horizontal version (without a bit of Stanley knife work)

You've reminded me, I don't have 2 of these things in with a hotpoint. As you mention, you can get a double hotpoint with a spare switch - I've got one of those and I use the switch to control 2 of the modules which are in their own flush box just under the double hotpoint.

The modularity of the PDL stuff means you have a lot of choice about what to have where.

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#2671679 11-Mar-2021 13:42

I have the same one installed that I got from Bunnings and it works fine.

For people that may have issues because its an unknown brand, here is the certificate. I haven't found a SDOC

https://public.global-mark.com.au:8443/certificate.nsf/1/72BDBE599FDA7551CA2586940050EFBC/$file/Attachment.pdf

Strangely, The only USB charger I've ever had an issue with was an official apple one. It got so hot you couldn't touch it..

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#2671689 11-Mar-2021 14:46

If its not PDL its not in my house!

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#2671722 11-Mar-2021 15:56

Nate001:

Today they've got 240v sockets with USB for sale. Yes I know home owners are allowed to replace like for like. It scares me to think people with zero experience will think "ahh yes I need this" and go on to try replace their wall sockets.

I remember in the UK when electric appliances didn't come with a plug, and people were required to put a plug on anything they purchased, and this was just a few decades ago. Not sure when this stopped. You would think some of this stuff could be taught in schools.

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#2671741 11-Mar-2021 16:12

mattwnz:

Nate001:

Today they've got 240v sockets with USB for sale. Yes I know home owners are allowed to replace like for like. It scares me to think people with zero experience will think "ahh yes I need this" and go on to try replace their wall sockets.

I remember in the UK when electric appliances didn't come with a plug, and people were required to put a plug on anything they purchased, and this was just a few decades ago. Not sure when this stopped. You would think some of this stuff could be taught in schools.

I don't share your confidence in the workmanship of the public.

These are the same people who need to be warned not to touch hot things.

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#2671749 11-Mar-2021 16:24

elpenguino:

mattwnz:

I remember in the UK when electric appliances didn't come with a plug, and people were required to put a plug on anything they purchased, and this was just a few decades ago. Not sure when this stopped. You would think some of this stuff could be taught in schools.

I don't share your confidence in the workmanship of the public.

These are the same people who need to be warned not to touch hot things.

I don't either. That is the problem, as basic wiring used to be common knowledge, and IMO it should be. But guessing the drop in people owning their own home, and many people being shut out of the housing market, so not so many are into DIY and doing their own jobs and maintenance. I remember when even Dick Smiths used to have wiring diagrams for plugs in their catalogue.

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#2671791 11-Mar-2021 16:46

mattwnz:

I don't either. That is the problem, as basic wiring used to be common knowledge, and IMO it should be. But guessing the drop in people owning their own home, and many people being shut out of the housing market, so not so many are into DIY and doing their own jobs and maintenance. I remember when even Dick Smiths used to have wiring diagrams for plugs in their catalogue.

Which reminds me of a helpful reminder I saw online.

Having trouble remembering which mains wire is which ?

Remember brown is the live wire - and that's what colour your pants will be if you touch it.

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#2671798 11-Mar-2021 16:51

New Zealand is very permissive with the electrical work owner-occupiers are allowed to do. The main problem is that the scope for messing it up is huge, and many problems will result in serious injury, death, or burning your house down. Possibly months or years later.

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#2671810 11-Mar-2021 17:15

mkissin:

New Zealand is very permissive with the electrical work owner-occupiers are allowed to do. The main problem is that the scope for messing it up is huge, and many problems will result in serious injury, death, or burning your house down. Possibly months or years later.

ECP 51 , for home owners, starts off by saying don't do this if you're not competent/confident.

Any homeowner who undertakes this type of thing needs to remember their insurance company will be looking out for shoddy workmanship as an excuse to deny a claim.

Generally I'm in favour of allowing home owners to do limited work. Prohibiting any work would not stop the practice but would drive it underground.

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#2671812 11-Mar-2021 17:18

elpenguino:

ECP 51 , for home owners, starts off by saying don't do this if you're not competent/confident.

Any homeowner who undertakes this type of thing needs to remember their insurance company will be looking out for shoddy workmanship as an excuse to deny a claim.

Generally I'm in favour of allowing home owners to do limited work. Prohibiting any work would not stop the practice but would drive it underground.

That unwarranted feeling of confidence is usually the first problem.

I didn't say I was against our rules. But I do think it then means that products for sale to the public be maximally safe.

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#2671820 11-Mar-2021 17:44

nztim:

If its not PDL its not in my house!

Seen some worrying results of normal use at several sites with their "iconic" range - I wouldn't put that in my house

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#2671824 11-Mar-2021 17:46

elpenguino:

mkissin:

New Zealand is very permissive with the electrical work owner-occupiers are allowed to do. The main problem is that the scope for messing it up is huge, and many problems will result in serious injury, death, or burning your house down. Possibly months or years later.

ECP 51 , for home owners, starts off by saying don't do this if you're not competent/confident.

Any homeowner who undertakes this type of thing needs to remember their insurance company will be looking out for shoddy workmanship as an excuse to deny a claim.

Generally I'm in favour of allowing home owners to do limited work. Prohibiting any work would not stop the practice but would drive it underground.

Note that homeowners carrying out work in their primary residence (not a rental) must still get the work inspected by a registered electrical inspector for it to be legitimate

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#2671830 11-Mar-2021 18:00

snnet:

Note that homeowners carrying out work in their primary residence (not a rental) must still get the work inspected by a registered electrical inspector for it to be legitimate

That's not correct - for the work being discussed.

OTOH in cases where an inspection is required by an electrical inspector, they're probably not going to be inclined to want to give it. For example if you've run cable in a wall cavity - as they can't see it, they can't verify that it's been done properly.

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