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#2778535 15-Sep-2021 01:50

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Which is why we have a justice system and don't rely on the court of public opinion.

F@$k the entitled pricks, sorry if that offends you but come on, or should we just let them off, enjoy Level 4 for some time longer most of you

I can't see where I said they should be let off. I said that it's a good thing there is an impartial system to administer justice proportionate to their crime.

If that upsets you then you should complain to your local MP.

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#2778536 15-Sep-2021 04:08

Meanwhile I'd suggest that they might be the latest but they won't be the only ones. How many houses in the empty suburb of Auckland at Cook's Beach gained new residents during lockdown? The locals in Northland were setting up checkpoints so they must have also noticed a few. Our street isn't as expensive as Wanaka but one empty beach house gained a car out front during L4 from Wellington. The plan for a burning cross was dropped after it was noticed that she never goes outside and gets the New World to deliver.

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#2778537 15-Sep-2021 06:28

Bung: Meanwhile I'd suggest that they might be the latest but they won't be the only ones. How many houses in the empty suburb of Auckland at Cook's Beach gained new residents during lockdown? The locals in Northland were setting up checkpoints so they must have also noticed a few. Our street isn't as expensive as Wanaka but one empty beach house gained a car out front during L4 from Wellington. The plan for a burning cross was dropped after it was noticed that she never goes outside and gets the New World to deliver.

Are you sure that person is from Wellington? and are you sure they decided it was a good idea to go into a "warzone", rather than get out of it....

Doesn't make sense....but what does make sense is that they seem to be aware of the situation and chose to live in "isolation" in isolation.

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#2778586 15-Sep-2021 08:09

kobiak:Punish with the most hefty fine that's allowed under the act,

$4000? Lunch money. 400 hours community service would probably be more of a lesson.

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#2778593 15-Sep-2021 08:21

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I don't get people's outrage here. I agree they did something very wrong, I think they should have the book thrown at them, but instead of getting pissy at people for applying for name suppression, get pissy at lawmakers who allow it. A long as people have had more money than others, there has been equality. So long as the judge doesn't treat them any differently than they would any other citizen, then I'm fine. There will be guidelines on the punishment, assuming those are followed, people shouldn't complain.

It's just another form of outrage at big companies that pay little to no tax. So long as they are operating under the letter of the law, the only people that should be getting negative attention are those who decided the laws as they stand now, are what they should be.

The law is at best a rough guideline towards minimal ethical behaviour. Let's not forget that slavery was legal once.

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#2778597 15-Sep-2021 08:30

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tdgeek: In other news, I applaud his mother, [snip] I choose to assume she knew nothing.

I choose the same thing.

I'm not so sure. I suspect that she owns or at least controls the house in Wanaka. So she would be complicit in the breach. And it was she who hired the QC to get name suppression.

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#2778602 15-Sep-2021 08:55

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I'm not so sure. I suspect that she owns or at least controls the house in Wanaka.

"The Wānaka home the couple went to is 50:50 owned by Willis’ father, Robert, and New Zealand Criminal Bar Association treasurer and barrister Tony Bouchier and his wife, District Court Judge Josephine Bouchier."

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#2778603 15-Sep-2021 08:56

SaltyNZ:

kobiak:Punish with the most hefty fine that's allowed under the act,

$4000? Lunch money. 400 hours community service would probably be more of a lesson.

As a Lawyer the 26 year old must be "of good character" and "fit and proper" to practice

... If they are convicted . or even if they are not... its possible someone may ask the Law Society to enquire into this status.....

Having her ticket yanked for misconduct would be a punishment well over a $4000 fine...

"Misconduct defined in relation to lawyer and incorporated law firm

(1) In this Act, misconduct, in relation to a lawyer or an incorporated law firm,—

(a) means conduct of the lawyer or incorporated law firm that occurs at a time when he or she or it is providing regulated services and is conduct—

(i) that would reasonably be regarded by lawyers of good standing as disgraceful or dishonourable; or

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#2778606 15-Sep-2021 08:59

johny99: Sure and they will receive a fair and impartial trial and sentencing rather than the lynch mob kangaroo court

Will they though……. Not holding my breath on that one my GZ friend!

Doubt it. More money, more resources at their disposal to fight it. They'll get off lightly but thankfully their names are out there now so they have a tarnished reputation now. Maybe they can do us all a favour and piss off to a different country. Their entitled shenanigans seems more at home in the US.

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#2778607 15-Sep-2021 09:02

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Two spoilt brats do a runner from Auckland, fraudulently using a document in the process (allegedly, of course),

Is it fraudulent? A definition I found says

obtained, done by, or involving deception, especially criminal deception.
unjustifiably claiming or being credited with particular accomplishments or qualities

Neither of those exactly apply -- they apparently had legit exemption documents, so they didn't unjustifiably claim to be exempt. Possibly the deception might have been that they said they were leaving Auckland for some legitimate business reason. But that would depend on whether they were actually questioned on the purpose of their trip, e.g. at a checkpoint. But I do wonder why a company director and a lawyer need exemptions from L4 in the first place. If they unjustifiably claimed a need for that exemption, applying for the documents would be fraudulent, I guess.

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#2778609 15-Sep-2021 09:04

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Doubt it. More money, more resources at their disposal to fight it. They'll get off lightly but thankfully their names are out there now so they have a tarnished reputation now. Maybe they can do us all a favour and piss off to a different country. Their entitled shenanigans seems more at home in the US.

I think you are *vastly* over rating the publics interest in this past the next few days. I can't recall either persons name and I read it this morning.

Chances are if he turned up in my offices 4 weeks from now, not one person would know who he was.

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#2778610 15-Sep-2021 09:04

frankv:

I'm not so sure. I suspect that she owns or at least controls the house in Wanaka. So she would be complicit in the breach. And it was she who hired the QC to get name suppression.

Yep - the QC is Rachael Reed. She is the daughter of Michael Reed, the QC who defended Judge Sharp and her son in dog-attack litigation in 2012.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/judge-and-son-face-court-over-dog-attack/7VKNQHCY47MCSS44XOZYV4ZDHU/

The Wanaka house is owned jointly by the parents and Judge Josephine Bouchier and her husband, Tony Bouchier QC. Very hard to believe that the miscreants went to Wanaka without Mum's knowledge.

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#2778612 15-Sep-2021 09:09

wellygary:

As a Lawyer the 26 year old must be "of good character" and "fit and proper" to practice

... If they are convicted . or even if they are not... its possible someone may ask the Law Society to enquire into this status.....

Having her ticket yanked for misconduct would be a punishment well over a $4000 fine...

"Misconduct defined in relation to lawyer and incorporated law firm

(1) In this Act, misconduct, in relation to a lawyer or an incorporated law firm,—

(a) means conduct of the lawyer or incorporated law firm that occurs at a time when he or she or it is providing regulated services and is conduct—

(i) that would reasonably be regarded by lawyers of good standing as disgraceful or dishonourable; or

I feel like (as much as I was initially outraged by by two seemingly self-entitled wealthy so-and-so's breaking the rules) that losing her livelihood is a massive punishment for what is effectively a victimless crime.

Yes - there are people doing it tough - I am one of them. My mental health is suffering and I am desperate to get out of lockdown, if for no other reason than to feel like I have some say over my own movements, but to lose one's job over an admittedly stupid and selfish act? One that ended up having no physical effect on anyone else?

I think punishment in the form of a fine that hurts (which would need to be significant if their assumed wealth is to be believed) AND community service in some form that is humiliating enough to make them never want to be THOSE people again...that should do it. Hopefully without a criminal conviction.

There are other people that have broken lockdown and escaped - they aren't being held out as an example because they haven't been caught or don't stand out because of their high profile and assumed wealth.

It does feel like Tall Poppy Syndrome mixed with the COVID outrage to me.

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#2778616 15-Sep-2021 09:22

Was just sent this by a friend. I think this sums them up completely 🤣

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#2778619 15-Sep-2021 09:37

They wont get jail time . Every Ak judge will know their parents.
It will be another example of 2 levels of legal system, one for the rich & well placed, one for the rest.

Whatever happens, just remember escaping MIQ meant actual jail time for a Maori Woman, fines for Whites .
Its a 2 level system .

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