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  #3185348 23-Jan-2024 01:42
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gzt: Anyone can view Tinkerisk's links to know it is serious.

 

Indeed! DW (Deutsche Welle) is not an entertainment channel, and enjoys an excellent reputation throughout the world.

 

 





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  #3185349 23-Jan-2024 01:46
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gzt:
freitasm: Vote. Always vote them out.

Thugs on the street trumped that last time. Something more is needed.

Sadly this is not an invocation of Godwin's law. Anyone can view Tinkerisk's links to know it is serious.

 

It's not unique to Germany. Populism is on the rise all through Europe with the likes of Marine La Pen, Geert Wilders and Alexander Vucic bearing the standard.


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  #3185358 23-Jan-2024 07:56
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This was in London, at a railway station, at a public music event. An anonymous Chinese sent an email to the musician explaining what happened.

Anonymous Chinese email: "That [Chinese guy] guy a handler. Watching watching the footage, he was doing what a close Protection Officer would be doing.

There were two others in the team running a loose perimeter and one facing out looks like they were filming illegally a cultural video without permission of the [London] rail authorities: one of one of those welcome to England types of video

They were using a classic diamond or box formation and the lady with the makeup may be a party official's daughter or wife which is why he got very shirty when you touched the flag.

There were at least three in the team. As for being armed he may have been the police would never search him though as he would have had a diplomatic immunity.

They also cry carry other types of sinister weapons. Your computer will be hacked, your phone will.

I perhaps I shouldn't read this bit out your phone will be hacked and I suspect YouTube will be hit with a deluge of copyright strikes on all right"

A show called "Talk TV Tonight Mike Graham" will be posted on the Internet sometime in the next few days with an interview with the musican.

You can jump to 5:21 mark.


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  #3185442 23-Jan-2024 10:26
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I just chanced across this item on RNZ. What astounds me about it is the sheer stupidity of the people caught up in this! How can anyone be so dumb as to think they can hire a hitman in this manner, open and exposed, on the public Internet? How can they be so credulous as to share their desire to arrange a murder with a complete stranger on a website they know nothing about? How can they possibly think they are not taking on a huge amount of personal risk by soliciting murder in this way?

 

People this mentally challenged are legally entitled to raise children, vote in elections, drive vehicles, purchase weapons and do any number of other dangerous things, especially in America but also elsewhere. God help us all!

 

   





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  #3185510 23-Jan-2024 14:30
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kingdragonfly: This was in London, at a railway station, at a public music event. An anonymous Chinese sent an email to the musician explaining what happened.

Anonymous Chinese email: "That [Chinese guy] guy a handler. Watching watching the footage, he was doing what a close Protection Officer would be doing.

 

This entire video is well worth watching. For the really enjoyable music in the first place, but also for the very revealing insights into the ways Chinese authorities feel they have the right to do things. It is especially interesting how that Protection Officer starts out all smooth and reasonable and quietly persuasive and then suddenly starts screaming like a banshee. Obviously a tactic to try to dominate the discussion but it also vividly displays the mentality that first says 'sure Hong Kong, you can do things your way', then turns aggressively repressive when any sign of real independent thinking is displayed. Are you watching, Taiwan?

 

 

 

 





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  #3185527 23-Jan-2024 15:04
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I only watched half the video because it irritated me and found the Brit racist and antagonistically trying to bait the Asians who were being polite and asking that their images were not recorded. It should have ended there. OK mate…I won’t record you was sufficient and a respectful way of closing the discussion. The piano playing however was brilliant.

 

 


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  #3185536 23-Jan-2024 15:33
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Eva888:

 

I only watched half the video because it irritated me and found the Brit racist and antagonistically trying to bait the Asians who were being polite and asking that their images were not recorded. It should have ended there. OK mate…I won’t record you was sufficient and a respectful way of closing the discussion. The piano playing however was brilliant.

 

 

 

 

You missed the important part. The Brit was being provocative but it was the Chinese official who went ballistic and revealed his true colours. It was a public space and the Chinese people could have easily moved out of camera view. Instead they chose to try to impose their rules on a Brit in Britain and they got a very predictable response.

 

It is well known that the Chinese authorities are sending agents around the world to intimidate and coerce overseas members of their community to impose conformity to the official line. The Chinese government does not tolerate freedom of opinion or expression in China or overseas. It also has no sense of humour.

 

  





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  #3185540 23-Jan-2024 15:38
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The Chinese handler was correct that the musician combined the concepts of the Chinese flag and the Chinese Communist party, in particular calling it "the communist flag" which is not strictly true.

The People's Republic of China is a one-party state ruled by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Despite this, eight minor political parties subservient to the CCP exist.

However the musician ability to leave was more restricted than the Chinese delegation, as there's only one piano in that space (I'd guess).

Early in the video, way before the confrontation, you could see the displeasure in the Chinese woman presenter face when she realized she'd accidently been filmed in the background.

If the group walked away at that point, none of it would have happened.

I'm sure she was more than a little irritated when he walked over, identified them incorrectly as Japanese tourists, a huge mistake on par to calling a Turkey native a Greek tourist.

Wikipedia: Streisand effect

"The Streisand effect is an unintended consequence of attempts to hide, remove, or censor information, where the effort instead backfires by increasing awareness of that information.

It is named after American singer and actress Barbra Streisand, whose attempt to suppress Kenneth Adelman's website publication of his photograph of her cliff-top residence in Malibu, California, taken to document California coastal erosion, inadvertently drew far greater attention to the previously obscure photograph in 2003."

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  #3185545 23-Jan-2024 15:52
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kingdragonfly: The Chinese handler was correct that the musician combined the concepts of the Chinese flag and the Chinese Communist party, in particular calling it "the communist flag" which is not strictly true.

The People's Republic of China is a one-party state ruled by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Despite this, eight minor political parties subservient to the CCP exist.

However the musician ability to leave was more restricted than the Chinese delegation, as there's only one piano in that space (I'd guess).

Early in the video, way before the confrontation, you could see the displeasure in the Chinese woman presenter face when she realized she'd accidently been filmed in the background.

If the group walked away at that point, none of it would have happened.

I'm sure she was more than a little irritated when he walked over, identified them incorrectly as Japanese tourists, a huge mistake on par to calling a Turkey native a Greek tourist.

 

The Brit started referring to them as Japanese from the moment he first noticed them. That could have just been ignorance, though he is a PhD so he can't be that uninformed. But it could have been genuine chauvinism. I'm not sure.

 

People get filmed in public. Especially nowadays. There are no restrictions on this in Britain but there might or might not be an exception in this case since it seems to have been in a shopping mall, which could require permission of the mall owners. However, since the pianist was already performing and filming and does this on a regular basis, he probably has the mall's approval.

 

The Chinese were polite about it at first, as they should be, but when they didn't get what they wanted, they should have just moved on. There was no reason to make an issue of it. Instead, the handler seized on the Brit's touching of the flag (NOT the lady) and massively overreacted to it in an attempt to take control and change the subject. At that moment he emerged as a full-blown authoritarian a$$hole and I hope he gets demoted for incompetence when he returns to China.

 

      





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  #3185550 23-Jan-2024 16:04
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kingdragonfly: The Chinese handler was correct that the musician combined the concepts of the Chinese flag and the Chinese Communist party, in particular calling it "the communist flag" which is not strictly true.

The People's Republic of China is a one-party state ruled by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Despite this, eight minor political parties subservient to the CCP exist.

 

 

So what? He's in the UK and he's free to call it whatever he likes.

 


kingdragonfly: Early in the video, way before the confrontation, you could see the displeasure in the Chinese woman presenter face when she realized she'd accidently been filmed in the background. 

If the group walked away at that point, none of it would have happened.

 

 

In the UK anyone can film in public, and people aren't granted automatic privacy while in public. They could ask him to cover their faces in the final video but it's up to him to record or not, or to delete the recording or not, or even to hide their faces or not.

 

Nothing the "handler" could do besides ask, politely.

 

And the police couldn't do anything either.





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  #3185593 23-Jan-2024 17:43
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Eva888:

 

I only watched half the video because it irritated me and found the Brit racist and antagonistically trying to bait the Asians who were being polite and asking that their images were not recorded. It should have ended there. OK mate…I won’t record you was sufficient and a respectful way of closing the discussion. The piano playing however was brilliant.

 

 

 

 

Of course he had a bit of a go at it and knew enough that it wasn't about the Japanese, but the Chinese were stupid and arrogant enough to only go into it from their own political context. In such conflicts, you only have to imagine what could (and will) happen if you do the same thing in this other country and then it's clear and obvious.

 


There was once a case in Berlin where an Asian embassy employee simply went fishing in the Spree (river) without observing the applicable fishing regulations or having a fishing license at all. Not a big deal in itself, but any German citizen would have been prosecuted for it. So he invoked diplomatic immunity, grinned and continued his cruel kind of fishing. I think the grin was the worse thing about it.

 

Anyone who comes to a foreign country as a guest, waves around their own national flag (especially if it is also that of a dominant political party) and wants to film has to obey its rules and laws. If it is a democratic country, he has nothing to fear. For all other countries where this does not apply, you can and should stay away from them.





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  #3185600 23-Jan-2024 18:08
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freitasm:

 

And the police couldn't do anything either.

 

 

In my opinion, the young male police officer behaved in an exemplary manner. He had a de-escalating and discreet effect on the group. The female police officer could have acted more confidently by listening to her citizen better and backing him up. In addition, I wouldn't have simply walked away, but would at least have said "bye" to my citizen.

 

 





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Beside the point that anyone of the many people walking by could have whipped out their phone to record any time.

Its all a bit strange as they were interacting well with the first lady at the start.
Yes she touched him, shaking his hand too.
The guy in the China party playing the piano, and it was all fun laughter and smiles.

 

London cockney style, could I say wide-boy might be a bit overpowering, but thats the local culture.

 

Not till another smaller female says this is for Chinese TV don't film. Things change.
Loud shouty guy enters the chat.

 

You could see the Chinese group had a steadycam filming never asking if they could.
But they did not need to so they did not. (Ask permission)
Gooses and Ganders, to add to When in Rome, and all.


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  #3185763 24-Jan-2024 09:10
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As a personal policy, the piano player is a bit an old-school anarchist, and never asks permission to play anywhere.

He did talk to the Chinese extensively before video taping, and knew they were not Japanese.

He already knew what reaction he'd get, because the Chinese were holding yellow signs while they were taping their own segment, which stupidly said "You are not permitted to take videos."

On the other side, the Chinese are all popular Youtube influencers, who frequently post videos, and lots of social media posts. There was no handler (just a arsehole)

Their videos show up uncensored in China, so at the minimum given the OK by Chinese Communist party.

They are all born in China, but hold British citizenships. It's easy to deduce they all know the English rules about videos taken in public spaces: it is permitted.

Obviously it's stupid to hold sign "you are not permitted to take videos" and threaten legal action when
  • wearing bright red clothes
  • waving Chinese flags
  • in a busy train station.
  • it legally permitted to film in a public space

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  #3185767 24-Jan-2024 09:16
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Oh. So you mean arseholes on both sides vying for clicks?

 

Who'd have thought?





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