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  #3200277 26-Feb-2024 16:40
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With todays cgi why do they need real guns?





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  #3200280 26-Feb-2024 16:53
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Why do they need real actors? Or a real set? According to the latest ChatGPT news all of this can be perfectly simulated. 

 

On a more serious note, I have been wondering how this is going to affect the entertainment industry and practically everything else that involves images or videos. Apparently AI is now on the verge of being able to convincingly fake any audio and video content. Whether it is done maliciously or benignly, an awful lot of people are going to be out of work. This is going to have a really major economic impact, apart from any other consequences. Who needs movie studios, or newsrooms, or TV producers, or most of the content production industries when anyone can create anything with a couple of lines of text? 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #3200283 26-Feb-2024 16:59
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Rikkitic:

 

I do know (I think) that blanks are only safe at a distance and are not intended for close range. Multiple people have been killed or injured this way. The blank wadding still comes out with a lot of force from the explosion of gunpowder.

 



 

They are not safe to be discharged towards people at all. Anyone that does it is negligent.

 

"let me point this explosion at you" is not how sensible people do things.





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  #3200286 26-Feb-2024 17:05
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Rikkitic:

 

Why do they need real actors? Or a real set? According to the latest ChatGPT news all of this can be perfectly simulated. 

 

On a more serious note, I have been wondering how this is going to affect the entertainment industry and practically everything else that involves images or videos. Apparently AI is now on the verge of being able to convincingly fake any audio and video content. Whether it is done maliciously or benignly, an awful lot of people are going to be out of work. This is going to have a really major economic impact, apart from any other consequences. Who needs movie studios, or newsrooms, or TV producers, or most of the content production industries when anyone can create anything with a couple of lines of text?

 

So will we now see AI actors and productions win at all the EGOT ceremonies? Or will there HAVE to be a completely separate award system ?





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  #3200287 26-Feb-2024 17:05
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richms:

 

Rikkitic:

 

I do know (I think) that blanks are only safe at a distance and are not intended for close range. Multiple people have been killed or injured this way. The blank wadding still comes out with a lot of force from the explosion of gunpowder.

 



 

They are not safe to be discharged towards people at all. Anyone that does it is negligent.

 

"let me point this explosion at you" is not how sensible people do things.

 

 

What are they used for then? I thought they were supposed to be 'safe' ways of creating pretend gunfights.

 

 





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  #3200289 26-Feb-2024 17:24
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I believe when you want a bang and cloud of smoke, to make it look like the gun has fired. You should still arrange the set so that no-one is downrange.

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  #3200292 26-Feb-2024 17:30
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Rikkitic:

 

What are they used for then? I thought they were supposed to be 'safe' ways of creating pretend gunfights.

 

 

That, without the person at the other end of it.





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  #3200293 26-Feb-2024 17:34
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As I said, I don't know much about guns and don't really want to. I am basing my opinions on what I have seen and read.  





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In this case the gun was supposed to have dummies in it which have no charge.
Just hollow with a ball bearing so they rattle. 
Idea is you take the gun check its empty and rattle each bullet one by one as you load them.

 

For this close camera shot the bullets would be visible in 4K detail thus dummies.

 

The swiss cheese model of disasters.
You stack slices of swiss cheese, most days every hole is blocked at some point.
One day your multiple layers of safety have a hole that lines up.

 

Added to the mix of types of bullets you have on the set.
Slack procedure loading gun etc (if each bullet rattled there would be no live round).

 

There also seemed to be significant recreational use of drugs by the armorer, and I expect others. 

 

Drug testing alone may have led to a more serious attitude to the work, or a different armorer and crew being employed.

 

Guns are fun toys, Drugs make them funnier. 

 

Its a bit similar to the light plane accident reports, less haste, not skipping boring checks, and especially not mixing in drugs or alcohol. 


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  #3200297 26-Feb-2024 17:45
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Gurezaemon:

40 or so years ago, I remember my Grandmother's reaction when I said the school camp was awesome.

 

 

When you hear an American, and it's typically them especially the "influencer" subset of Americans, tell you that something is "awesome", listen to the pronunciation and you'll realise that what they're actually telling you is that it's arse'm. "This triple latte moccacino decaf soy organic lentil ... something is arse'm!" makes perfect sense, I'm sure it tastes of arse'm.

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  #3200298 26-Feb-2024 17:55
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Rikkitic:

I know Americans are cavalier about firearms since everyone has them, but I still have a hard time understanding this. Not only is it irresponsible, it is just unbelievably stupid. Surely common sense would suggest that prop firearms should be kept strictly separated from recreational ones. And isn't this film set in the old west? Were the prop guns period pieces?

 

 

The US is awash with guns, they don't use prop firearms because it's much easier to get any quantity of any type of real gun. Even fantasy guns start as real working firearms that have been cross-dressed into fantasy pieces. For example "Soviet Podbyrin, nine-point-two milimeter, world's most powerful handgun" is a conversion of that Hollywood favourite and pretty stupid (impractical) Desert Eagle to make it look like a giant P38.

 

 

As for the ammunition, there'll be a section for it in the nearest supermarket next to the pet foot and gardening tools. In rural areas you can (or at least could when I was there) wander into your local equivalent of New World and fill up on 9mm and 5.56mm FMJ ammunition.

 

 

Another time in a different state we were buying about half a dozen watermelons, without getting ammunition, and the soccer mom at the checkout looked at us and said "going shooting huh?".

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  #3200299 26-Feb-2024 18:00
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I must admit I don't understand it myself.

 

 

Posting a second time to emphasise this point, the guns on movie sets are typically real guns. They're not props. The one specific problem is that, with Hollywood's love of ammo dumps from automatic weapons, blanks don't provide enough energy to cycle the action on automatic weapons. This is best illustrated in Robert Rodriguez' "El Mariachi" where he didn't have the budget for modified guns or ammunition so he cleverly edited the shots so you hear automatic weapons fire and see the actors arms shaking without realising that only the first shot was actually fired, he talks about it in the making-of video.

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  #3200304 26-Feb-2024 18:08
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FineWine:

With todays cgi why do they need real guns?

 

 

Because you need the weight, feel, blast, and recoil of real guns to depict them properly.

 

 

Also, as mentioned above, any kind of gun you need is so easily either accessible or convertible to what you want to depict (e.g. MP5s, another Hollywood favourite, are typically full-auto-converted HK94s and M16s are often converted AR15s) that it doesn't make sense to spend a ton of effort and money on CGI.

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  #3200306 26-Feb-2024 18:20
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FineWine: With todays cgi why do they need real guns?

American movie audiences are not tolerant of guns that don't act like guns apparently.

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  #3200309 26-Feb-2024 18:27
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Most of these points were covered in the original thread

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=290144

Really just nuts in many dimensions. If they had a specific safety law or code of practice requiring modified ammo and weapons and actor training there would soon be an industry niche to supply all that.

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