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  #2918593 25-May-2022 20:05
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Rikkitic:

MikeAqua:


If you limit possessions to what people need it wouldn't be much. There are many things people don't need that cause harm (social media and bicycles for example).  However, I suspect this statement is more about a personal view than any genuine usage of the word need. 



Of course it is a personal view. I just don’t think guns should rate so high on some people’s nice to have list. It isn’t about bad intentions, irresponsible use, criminal activity, or any of the other clichés that keep getting thrown up. It is about those who seem to think that happiness is a warm gun. Can you really not find the same satisfaction somewhere else? What is it that makes a deadly weapon so important to possess? 


Want to hunt deer or other game animals? Try doing it with a knife. At least that’s a more equal match. Shooting something from so far away that you can’t even see it without a telescopic sight doesn’t strike me as particularly manly or Palaeolithic, if that is the effect being aimed for. Try shooting with a camera instead. Same stalking skills required, same proof that you made the kill, just no dead animal at the end. Win win.


Who needs a gun? There are excellent non-lethal simulations for every form of recreational activity anyone can dream up. Go to war in a Laser tag room. Demolish clay targets with an air rifle. Have a water gun fight with your children. All good clean healthy fun.


Is flying your thing but an inability to tell up from down keeps you grounded? Try a flight simulator. You can crash as often as you like.
 
I understand that many people enjoy recreational shooting and do it responsibly. I just don’t get that they have to do it with guns when there are so many good alternatives available. 


 



Hunt deer with a knife? Seriously?

The purpose is to eat the deer, not watch it run away.





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  #2918595 25-May-2022 20:06
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MikeAqua:

 

Well, you've comprehensively demonstrated that you don't understand hunting or hunters, lol.

 

Firearms are popular because they are effective.  Ethically, and from a food quality perspective, hunters want a fast clean kill.  Ideally the animal is deceased before it hits the ground.

 

Killing a deer with a knife or spear would be possible, but hard work and cruel.  Some pig hunters use knives.  I don't.  The desire to hunt is a human instinct but not a uniquely male one.  Plenty of women hunt (10% of firearms licence holders are women), enough to justify the design and manufacture of hunting clothing specifically for women.

 

 

1. Thank you for the compliment.

 

2. Animals killed in slaughterhouses are dead before they hit the ground, if that is your criterion.

 

3. I know there are females who rip out the hearts of their first kills and eat them raw. I prefer to keep them at a distance.

 

 





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  #2918597 25-May-2022 20:10
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Geektastic: Hunt deer with a knife? Seriously?

 

 

Oh, not just any knife, a putty knife. With a blade no more than 5cm long.

 

 

Make it a real challenge.

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  #2918685 26-May-2022 07:41
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The length of time NZ coronial enquiries take.

I read one (just released) this morning relating to a death in 2018. I struggle to see the value of the enquiry at all so long after the fact.





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  #2918746 26-May-2022 11:14
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MikeAqua:There are many things people don't need that cause harm (... and bicycles for example).

 

How do you go to work? How do you  go to get your groceries? Use a car and add to global warming I suppose. And yes, I've been going to work and going to get the groceries for decades by bicycle and not an electric one either.

 

A stupid letter to the editor in The Press yesterday by a woman who obviously doesn't know how to ride a bike properly, doesn't know how to keep dry if it rained and was really, really worried about her hair.


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  #2918761 26-May-2022 11:30
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Geektastic: The length of time NZ coronial enquiries take.


They're waiting to make sure they're really dead?

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  #2918814 26-May-2022 11:36
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Geektastic: The length of time NZ coronial enquiries take.

I read one (just released) this morning relating to a death in 2018. I struggle to see the value of the enquiry at all so long after the fact.

 

I'm inclined to agree with the fact it does take a long time, however there is a fair workload for a relatively small number of of people who do this work, and often there is a lot of investigation that goes around it, and a lot of red tape and also it usually involves information from a number of sources. Marrying that all up takes time.  Usually, the inquests are focused on preventing the same thing happening again, so whilst it does take a reasonable amount of time, the goals are aimed toward the longer term outcomes.


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  #2918868 26-May-2022 12:03
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networkn:Usually, the inquests are focused on preventing the same thing happening again,

 

"focused on preventing the same thing happening again" which is why the road Serious Crash Investigation Unit never puts out a public report on an accident? If there ever is a publicly available report, it certainly isn't broadcast where to find one. Air accidents are a totally different thing and the reports go out to everyone such an event might impact on.

 

There are also books about such air accidents, how and why.

 

With cars I suppose they don't want it public knowledge that trees and lamp posts leap out into the middle of the road after midnight.


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  #2918869 26-May-2022 12:05
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networkn:

 

Geektastic: The length of time NZ coronial enquiries take.

I read one (just released) this morning relating to a death in 2018. I struggle to see the value of the enquiry at all so long after the fact.

 

I'm inclined to agree with the fact it does take a long time, however there is a fair workload for a relatively small number of of people who do this work, and often there is a lot of investigation that goes around it, and a lot of red tape and also it usually involves information from a number of sources. Marrying that all up takes time.  Usually, the inquests are focused on preventing the same thing happening again, so whilst it does take a reasonable amount of time, the goals are aimed toward the longer term outcomes.

 

 

 

 

Having looked at it, it appears coroners have a strange role in NZ. In the UK (which invented coroners in the Middle Ages I think, mainly to determine whether the Lord of the Manor could claim fines or duties from his dead property) a coroner has one job - to rule on the cause of death where it is not clear. It is very much a judicial role, held in a Coroner's Court. Obviously it is in the interests of all that the verdict is swift (for example if it is decided to be murder, the police then need to launch an investigation).

 

Here they appear to have all sorts of other stuff (the making recommendations thing for example) that really renders them quasi-political rather than judicial IMV.






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  #2918870 26-May-2022 12:07
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RollyShed:

 

With cars I suppose they don't want it public knowledge that trees and lamp posts leap out into the middle of the road after midnight.

 

 

*sigh* the process is far more complex and nuanced than that silly example. 

 

 


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  #2918872 26-May-2022 12:10
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networkn:

 

RollyShed:

 

With cars I suppose they don't want it public knowledge that trees and lamp posts leap out into the middle of the road after midnight.

 

*sigh* the process is far more complex and nuanced than that silly example. 

 

I still ask, where are the reports so that drivers can learn from accidents?

 

The report are public with air accidents so pilots can learn.


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  #2918887 26-May-2022 12:14
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RollyShed:

 

I still ask, where are the reports so that drivers can learn from accidents?

 

The report are public with air accidents so pilots can learn.

 

 

It's often more around what can be done to make roads safer to drive, or it might be a case of driver was impaired. The finding may find it was just a tragic accident due to a medical event, there are literally hundreds of potential outcomes. 

 

It doesn't just apply to vehicle deaths, can be water safety-related or anything. 

 

 


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  #2918889 26-May-2022 12:31
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RollyShed:

 

I still ask, where are the reports so that drivers can learn from accidents?

 

The report are public with air accidents so pilots can learn.

 

 

It's often more around what can be done to make roads safer to drive, or it might be a case of driver was impaired. The finding may find it was just a tragic accident due to a medical event, there are literally hundreds of potential outcomes. 

 

And? How can drivers learn if not told... ever?

 

If a medical event or go to sleep, the zero accidents by 2050 is daft, and a waste of tax payers money for TV ads unless all cars are self drive cars.

 

We're talking about perfectly safe roads where drivers kill themselves.... or trees leap out after midnight... OK, a cynical joke but how are the accidents happening?


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  #2918899 26-May-2022 12:43
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RollyShed:

 

And? How can drivers learn if not told... ever?

 

If a medical event or go to sleep, the zero accidents by 2050 is daft, and a waste of tax payers money for TV ads unless all cars are self drive cars.

 

We're talking about perfectly safe roads where drivers kill themselves.... or trees leap out after midnight... OK, a cynical joke but how are the accidents happening?

 

 

It's a target. It's probably unachievable, but the aim is to lower it as much as feasible.

 

 

 

There is plenty of driver education programs, and the feedback and need for that, and what those programs contain are partially contributed to by these reports.

 

If they released the reports publically, (and some may be I am unsure) how many people would read it, vs seeing an advert in a video they are watching already?

 

Should all this need explaining? 

 

I get the feeling you are just being argumentative for the sake of it.


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