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#3078343 21-May-2023 17:04

neb: Go to either Bunnnings or M10 to look for 3x2 and type in 70x45 for the search, you get a pile of results for "75x50" (as well as some 150x50). Type in "75x50" for the search and get no results. (And yes, I know about timber sizing, but it's both confusing and non-orthogonal in terms of search results).

Try finding screws on either of them and then your wood requirements will look simple.

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#3078345 21-May-2023 17:20

The M10 website search is right up there with TradeMe - how it thinks some of the results are relevent beats me. Then there's the 20 result limit.

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#3078347 21-May-2023 17:31

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Usually PCUs are 16-20A and HWCs are 13A. 30A would be rather unusual.

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/hpm-switch-permanent-connection-10amp_p0334117

But yeah it was the thermostat not the element that’s rated for 30A

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#3078354 21-May-2023 18:46

Ah, someone did cheap out on the PCU. That is an issue.

Thermostat rating only needs to be bigger than the element; it's just another switch. The actual current is determined by the element.

Perhaps someone 'upgraded' the element or cylinder from 2 to 3kW and failed to make sure everything else was suitable.

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#3078376 21-May-2023 20:40

MadEngineer: My Whisky for The Fox for today was discovering that the dead mouse smell in my HWCupboard wasn’t a dead mouse. Instead it was crispy black cabling and switch from the numbnuts that installed a 10A PCU as the switch for HWC. On what planet was that going to work for a 30A element.

I had something like that a few years ago in the old farmhouse I live in. Funny intermittent buzzing sound I couldn't quite pinpoint. Didn't think much about it for a few days. Finally investigated and discovered the wiring and switches in the HW cupboard had disintegrated and were smouldering.

Very hard water where I live and heating elements tend to short out over time. I discovered that some unknown genius had got tired of the old-fashioned wire fuse blowing and replaced it with steel wire! Problem solved! Just dumb luck that this old wooden house didn't go up like a torch with me and the cats in it.

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#3078413 21-May-2023 21:55

I was thinking of simply swapping out the PCU with another with a 20A switch but at the same time collected a proper HWC wiring kit just in case.

When I got home I sat there for a mo looking at the job ahead and thought, if they've done a dodgy at the switch side what did they do at the HWC side? Opened it up and found a small nick in the sheath of both conductors and a few strands of the earth wire sticking out. They'd used a couple of bits of some kind of plumbing pipe to act as a grommet through the case of the cylinder.

Glad I had the proper kit and installed that instead.

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#3078470 22-May-2023 08:32

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Tried to picture the situation of a frail old lady holding the walking frame with TWO hands otherwise impossible to move it, so the knife was in one hand therefore she was either stationary waving a knife, or holding both the knife and pushing along with her walker. She would have to stand still to stab someone with it if they were close. A long handled grabber or the end of a broom could have knocked it out of her hand if it was so threatening. Speedy escape of a gun wielding crim wasn’t an issue.

Could she in her demented state have set her sights on getting some fruit to peel, or returning the knife to the kitchen? So many things to wonder about. Of course when a story reads she was armed with a knife rather than holding or carrying a knife to the kitchen it makes more of a threatening to police and staff story.

They must release the body cam footage to the family and it needs a lot more explanation. I’m sure the facility also has cameras everywhere to keep an eye on the inmates.

My mother had Alzheimers. She became very agitated sometimes, and on one occasion escaped from the care home (by climbing up on the edge of a spa pool and from there over a 5ft high fence). She apparently believed that she had been kidnapped and wanted to go home. She probably also believed she was aged 20 or so. On a couple of occasions, to our total astonishment, we were told that she had been violent and threatening to other residents, once with a knife.

So, one anecdotal data point that acknowledges that the 95yo may very well have said threatening things and/or waved the knife in a threatening manner (I'm not suggesting that a frail old woman with a walking frame could actually be a threat to pretty much anyone). I'm surprised that the police were called at all... that alone seems like overkill. But perhaps the rest home policy was that staff weren't allowed to physically restrain residents? In which case, if she'd got out the front door, they had no option but to call the police.

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#3078479 22-May-2023 08:57

MadEngineer: I was thinking of simply swapping out the PCU with another with a 20A switch but at the same time collected a proper HWC wiring kit just in case.

When I got home I sat there for a mo looking at the job ahead and thought, if they've done a dodgy at the switch side what did they do at the HWC side? Opened it up and found a small nick in the sheath of both conductors and a few strands of the earth wire sticking out. They'd used a couple of bits of some kind of plumbing pipe to act as a grommet through the case of the cylinder.

Glad I had the proper kit and installed that instead.

Would hope that was an over ambitious previous home owner and not someone paid to complete a job there

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#3078481 22-May-2023 08:58

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My mother had Alzheimers. She became very agitated sometimes, and on one occasion escaped from the care home (by climbing up on the edge of a spa pool and from there over a 5ft high fence). She apparently believed that she had been kidnapped and wanted to go home. She probably also believed she was aged 20 or so. On a couple of occasions, to our total astonishment, we were told that she had been violent and threatening to other residents, once with a knife.

So, one anecdotal data point that acknowledges that the 95yo may very well have said threatening things and/or waved the knife in a threatening manner (I'm not suggesting that a frail old woman with a walking frame could actually be a threat to pretty much anyone). I'm surprised that the police were called at all... that alone seems like overkill. But perhaps the rest home policy was that staff weren't allowed to physically restrain residents? In which case, if she'd got out the front door, they had no option but to call the police.

Your mother sounds like an impressive lady. I don't doubt a 95 year-old in a walking frame could have been behaving in a threatening manner, I just question if she could have done anything so threatening that it warranted being tasered by a cop probably half her age and at least twice her weight.

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#3078601 22-May-2023 13:12

I would have thought a baton whack on the hand would be the approach, maybe police don't have batons in the era of tazers? Well

British police still have them but don't carry guns like Australian police.

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#3078691 22-May-2023 15:28

Rikkitic:

Your mother sounds like an impressive lady. I don't doubt a 95 year-old in a walking frame could have been behaving in a threatening manner, I just question if she could have done anything so threatening that it warranted being tasered by a cop probably half her age and at least twice her weight.

Without considerably more information about the nature of the incident, it's all very speculative.

I very few police officers go to work looking to kill people and aren't looking to take an overly heavy-handed approach to violating 95-year-olds, seems likely there are facts not in evidence.

At the end of the day there will be an investigation, and if it's deemed this officer acted out of the bounds of reasonable force in the situation, then I imagine they will face consequences.

I can't imagine how the situation has happened and why it couldn't have been de-escalated either, and it certainly seems pretty tragic she died. Having said that, physical harm of aged care workers by people in their care, seems pretty common.

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#3078692 22-May-2023 15:37

Walk out of sight of the old lady, return with the biggest smile on your face and ask if she’d like a cup of tea.

She’ll forget why she’s feeling angry.

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#3078755 22-May-2023 19:45

My Grandfather, as far into the disease as he was. Used to come round every so often and just say end it....maybe this was one of those times for others....

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#3079633 25-May-2023 15:42

Senior Constable Kristian White was charged with recklessly causing grievous bodily harm, assault occasioning actual bodily harm, and common assault after allegedly tasering the great-grandmother at an aged care facility in southern New South Wales last week.

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#3079743 26-May-2023 09:18

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Senior Constable Kristian White was charged with recklessly causing grievous bodily harm, assault occasioning actual bodily harm, and common assault after allegedly tasering the great-grandmother at an aged care facility in southern New South Wales last week.

Sobering to think any one of us could be saddled with dementia at any time of life as it’s not just a disease of the old. Wise decision for the family and everyone who believed his actions were wrong on moral and common sense grounds. At least the facts will come out in court and some guidelines laid down for treating such incidents with in future.

I like mad engineers idea of offering a smile and a cup of tea :) that should be the first response in all cases.

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