Eva888: @mattwnz PacnSave online Wellington.
Your Tararua is $8.30 compared to the same brand in Petone @ $5.99. Crazy difference.

Kilbirnie

Anchor $6.49
Tararua $6.29. Petone $5.99
Mainland $7.89
Rolling Meadow $5.79

Eva888: Dairy was always a relatively cheap staple in NZ. Not so long ago butter was $3 and you got Edam cheese for $9. How did we reach here.

International wholesale prices affect the local price. Fonterra probably regard it as a bit of a PITA to supply the local market when they could much more easily just bulk ship everything offshore.

The international market is used to justify local meat prices as well even though, as a rule, export quality meat is not fed into the local chain.

Dratsab:

Eva888: Dairy was always a relatively cheap staple in NZ. Not so long ago butter was $3 and you got Edam cheese for $9. How did we reach here.

International wholesale prices affect the local price. Fonterra probably regard it as a bit of a PITA to supply the local market when they could much more easily just bulk ship everything offshore.

The international market is used to justify local meat prices as well even though, as a rule, export quality meat is not fed into the local chain.

sen8or:

 

I re-did my comparison shop again last night, New World (Lincoln) vs Pak n Save (Hornby), matching item for item. With a $230 shop this week, difference was about $7 slightly in favour of Pak N Save, certainly not the night/day price difference that I would have thought.

 

Stick-man??

Dratsab:

Eva888: Dairy was always a relatively cheap staple in NZ. Not so long ago butter was $3 and you got Edam cheese for $9. How did we reach here.

International wholesale prices affect the local price. Fonterra probably regard it as a bit of a PITA to supply the local market when they could much more easily just bulk ship everything offshore.

The international market is used to justify local meat prices as well even though, as a rule, export quality meat is not fed into the local chain.

mattwnz: Except aren’t NZ tax payers subsidising them with things like carbon tax due to the amount of methane that cows produce. They never brought that tax in. Also look at our river and water quality over the last few decades. I wouldn’t be surprised if imported dairy ended up being cheaper eventually. It is a lot cheaper to also buy milk powder to make milk than buy fresh milk and I know a lot of people now doing this

You get into all sort of philosophical questions about what is and isn't a subsidy when it comes to Ag emissions given that other countries specifically exclude them. 

It's been a long time since grass-fed meat in NZ could be argued as 'affordable' so I'm not really sure why people are so wedded to the idea that dairy should be any different.

Dratsab:

The international market is used to justify local meat prices as well even though, as a rule, export quality meat is not fed into the local chain.

sen8or:

I re-did my comparison shop again last night, New World (Lincoln) vs Pak n Save (Hornby), matching item for item. With a $230 shop this week, difference was about $7 slightly in favour of Pak N Save, certainly not the night/day price difference that I would have thought.

gzt: Chemist Warehouse that is correct. My mistake. I misremember the advertising and it's always the first correct result when I Google the variations..

Kyanar:

Dratsab:

The international market is used to justify local meat prices as well even though, as a rule, export quality meat is not fed into the local chain.

Pork being the one exception, as New Zealand explicitly does not export pork in any form. The bacon and pork loin you buy in shops runs the gamut from offcuts to export quality, as there is no export market.

Which makes that ad ages ago where some dude went to London to yoink bacon off people’s plates saying “we’re bringing that home” or some equal rubbish quite a misdirection.

I wonder why they do not export pork?

Geektastic:

 

I wonder why they do not export pork?

 

I would assume because our domestic demand vastly outstrips domestic supply.. I've heard something like 80-90% of our pork is imported.

Kyanar: Pork being the one exception, as New Zealand explicitly does not export pork in any form.

Article from 2018

https://www.foodnavigator-asia.com/Article/2018/03/06/New-Zealand-to-export-pork-to-Australia#

Apparently small quantities are exported also to Pacific islands and Singapore.

gzt: Govt will action urgent legislation in budget to prevent anti competitive land management by supermarkets preventing entry of competition:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/budget-2022-urgent-law-banning-supermarkets-blocking-competitors-welcomed/5RKDBXCRNCQ2MLVUZJ553KY2KU/

Paywalled, but I can see that much : )

I could be wrong but didn't the supermarkets both say they were going to do that already?

gzt: Paywalled, but I can see that much : )

That's the essence of it. There's also a quote from an 'expert' complaining that it's too little, too late, and implying that it's therefore not worth doing.

Lias: I could be wrong but didn't the supermarkets both say they were going to do that already?