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#2952204 8-Aug-2022 17:15

Dingbatt:

To get back to the OP (rather than slagging local body incompetence), I was surprised at the figure of 40l for a hand wash (the equivalent of 25 1.5l bottles), but I guess by the time you take rinsing into account it would get up there.

Given that our kitchen sink is 900mm long I can well believe that the dishwasher uses significantly less water.

Could always buy a plastic washing up bowl but using the dishwasher means I haven't had to do it by hand. So that's a win all round in my books!

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#2952207 8-Aug-2022 17:21

Geektastic:

(Note - councils have nothing to do with water and sewage in the UK)

And most of the ones in England have been bought up by Foreign Pension funds or global private equity .... Something that would probably cause riots in certain parts of the NZ political spectrum...

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#2952210 8-Aug-2022 17:25

evilengineer:

Dingbatt:

To get back to the OP (rather than slagging local body incompetence), I was surprised at the figure of 40l for a hand wash (the equivalent of 25 1.5l bottles), but I guess by the time you take rinsing into account it would get up there.

Given that our kitchen sink is 900mm long I can well believe that the dishwasher uses significantly less water.

Could always buy a plastic washing up bowl but using the dishwasher means I haven't had to do it by hand. So that's a win all round in my books!

If you are using a low flow shower head that's 6 litres/minute. So few rounds in the dishwasher instead of handwashing and you can extend your shower a minute or two more (6-12 litres).

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#2952296 8-Aug-2022 22:50

Eva888:

Agreed, but under the circumstances of no water, a clean car is not a prime necessity. Makes me irritated to think that all those Spring jobs we normally do, water-blasting etc will now likely be banned. I’ve put my car outside to be washed today, plenty wind and rain as good as a swirling car wash.

Unfortunately wind and rain don't remove the dirt and grime. You need some elbow grease and some suds help as well. Don't use dishwashing detergent on a car if you really want to look after the finish on the paint. Use a proper carwash detergent.

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#2952397 9-Aug-2022 10:52

evilengineer:

Probably the suspicion that they'd charging for the water separately but not reduce rates to take into account the removal of this component.

Obviously that would never happen. 😉

That's close to my expectation of Three Waters, which is: -

More Cost; and
More bureaucrats; and
No improvement.

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#2952489 9-Aug-2022 14:34

mattwnz:

It sounds like double standards that cars can emit all sorts of pollutants which end up in the stormwater from the roads, but car cleaning detergent is seen as too toxic. Even the biodegradable stuff.

Biodegradable stuff? Do you have treatment plants for what gets into the groundwater and does not remain in the sewage system? Folks, you will have to pay for clean drinking water, which will cost a lot of money in private households, and the administrative costs are the least of it. I wouldn't dare go swimming in any of your lakes.

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#2952493 9-Aug-2022 14:41

Tinkerisk:

mattwnz:

It sounds like double standards that cars can emit all sorts of pollutants which end up in the stormwater from the roads, but car cleaning detergent is seen as too toxic. Even the biodegradable stuff.

Biodegradable stuff? Do you have treatment plants for what gets into the groundwater and does not remain in the sewage system?

Car cleaning stuff isn't even going to end up in the sewer and then a treatment plant. It'll flow to stormwater and then the sea/rivers, etc. Much worse.

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#2952500 9-Aug-2022 14:52

mkissin:

Car cleaning stuff isn't even going to end up in the sewer and then a treatment plant. It'll flow to stormwater and then the sea/rivers, etc. Much worse.

I know, that was a rhetorical question ;-)

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#2952511 9-Aug-2022 15:10

MikeAqua:

evilengineer:

Probably the suspicion that they'd charging for the water separately but not reduce rates to take into account the removal of this component.

Obviously that would never happen. 😉

That's close to my expectation of Three Waters, which is: -

More Cost; and
More bureaucrats; and
No improvement.

Why would there be more bureaucrats? Wouldn't they all move from the councils to 3 waters? There might even be fewer thanks to consolidation and consequent reduction in double ups.

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#2952576 9-Aug-2022 16:22

elpenguino:

Why would there be more bureaucrats? Wouldn't they all move from the councils to 3 waters? There might even be fewer thanks to consolidation and consequent reduction in double ups.

Because 3 waters is saying there needs to be between $120-160 billion in new expenditure on water infra over the next 30 years,

This is significantly high than currently , thus there will need to be more bureaucrats...

The question of whether there are more bureaucrats than there would be under council management is a moot hypothetical that will never be able to solved in an objective manner,

Case in point the Auckland Super city, which was sold as streamlining all the smaller councils, but Auckland has grown so much and councils responsibilities have been changed by Govt there is little evidence that it is more efficient...

There will be so much external changes in the next 30 years that it will be impossible to prove it one way or the other

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#2952823 10-Aug-2022 08:11

Tinkerisk:I wouldn't dare go swimming in any of your lakes.

Not quite sure where you are getting your info from (maybe a Greenpeace pamphlet) but it’s a pretty sweeping comment on all of our lakes. Unless you can’t swim of course…..😁

Yes, some aren’t in good health.

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#2952861 10-Aug-2022 09:34

elpenguino:

Why would there be more bureaucrats? Wouldn't they all move from the councils to 3 waters? There might even be fewer thanks to consolidation and consequent reduction in double ups.

Never turn out like that in practice. In reality consolidation creates more complexity than you'd expect.

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#2953148 10-Aug-2022 18:11

Dingbatt:

Tinkerisk:I wouldn't dare go swimming in any of your lakes.

Not quite sure where you are getting your info from (maybe a Greenpeace pamphlet) but it’s a pretty sweeping comment on all of our lakes. Unless you can’t swim of course…..😁

Yes, some aren’t in good health.

Yes, there are a few exceptions that are super clean, but I wouldn't go swimming there just out of respect for the Maoris' beliefs.

You seem to have something on your ears (eyes) with your constant Greenpeace pamphlet. I never refer to questionable sources. And it has long since become known that you Kiwis simply do not want to perceive certain things - it‘s your country for sure. But the news has made it as far as renowned public television in our country. I am free to decide on the basis of the information whether I, as a potential tourist or consumer of agricultural products, also want to be a burden on your environment or not. In any case, the Chinese, with their incredible demand, don't do it and they certainly don't care if you saw off the branch you're sitting on.

https://www.lawa.org.nz/explore-data/lakes/

80% isn’t some. By the way, I'm a normal, questioning guy, I don't vote Green for sure and I'm not an environmental activist and … yes, I can swim and if you can … https://www.lawa.org.nz/explore-data/swimming/ (I‘m talking about lakes) ;-)

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#2953190 10-Aug-2022 20:11

It might be wise to open your eyes and let the polluters share in the immense costs you are undoubtedly facing. This is not communist thinking but an economic calculation. Sewage treatment plants, improved sewage networks and improved drinking water quality cost a lot, and drinking water becomes scarcer here in summer too. In extreme cases, cars may not be washed with hoses and gardens may only be irrigated with drip systems. Of course, we have water meters and on the basis of them you pay not only for drinking water, but also for waste water. Any water leaks before the meter are not paid for, so the water supplier takes care of them as soon as possible out of his own interest.

The use of rainwater requires a permit, according to which you also have to pay to have the rainwater you use treated. It is also not permitted to pave over one's property as one pleases, as one then drains the rainwater into the sewage system instead of allowing it to seep away for the groundwater level. These are all rational reasons that go to the wallet of every citizen, but are necessary when viewed soberly. But I can just go to the tap with my water glass and drink the water of excellent, unchlorinated quality without hesitation. The coffee tastes better too ;-)

With 8 billion people on the planet, the issue of water cannot be ignored. It should hopefully be clear to the last person under the stone that if I spoil our water here, I also spoil your water in NZ and your environmental protection also protects my environment - even if we live very far away from each other. Disruptive decisions for expensive investments have always been necessary for this. Here it was a huge, devastating city fire that raged in 1842 and destroyed 1/3 of the city because of a catastrophic failure of the fire water supply.

From 1842 onwards, this also led, among other things, to today's 5,600km-long urban sewage system, which collects all sewage centrally in the harbour area in a large sewage treatment plant, purifies it, uses the resulting digester gases and generates its million kilowatt hours of electricity per year together with an additional 2 wind turbines to 100% itself - for 2.0 million people.

You "only" have to start with it.

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#2953309 11-Aug-2022 09:50

Tinkerisk:

Yes, there are a few exceptions that are super clean, but I wouldn't go swimming there just out of respect for the Maoris' beliefs.

If you want to respectful you might wish to know that the plural of Maori is Maori.

Mike

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