Auckland Weather 27/01/23 and Cyclone Gabrielle

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#3037850 16-Feb-2023 19:27

Credit where due department: I am sometimes critical of RNZ for their dumb typos and sloppy editing but they deserve a +1 for the decision to publish a text-only page for those with poor connectivity. This is the kind of common sense measure most people in this era of graphic glitz might not think of. Having come from dial-up at a time when the rest of the world was on broadband, I can fully appreciate the value of this.

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#3037851 16-Feb-2023 19:28

Eva888: Watched Three News...gut wrenching. How will these poor people get through such carnage. This is worse than an earthquake which is at least a dry event weather permitting.

Their farms, homes and crops gone and knee high in mud contemplating the next step. No amount of money can fix this. Do they build again in the same place? Do they leave their history and connections to go elsewhere? Very difficult and heart breaking decisions. May they find strength to cope. Certainly you can’t watch without feeling their pain.

Yep. I was talking to someone on Waiheke the other day. Ive been thru multi EQ's, give me them any day I told her. Fixable. Floods thats a whole other issue, let alone Hawkes Bay X 10

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#3037898 16-Feb-2023 19:31

Rikkitic:

Credit where due department: I am sometimes critical of RNZ for their dumb typos and sloppy editing but they deserve a +1 for the decision to publish a text-only page for those with poor connectivity. This is the kind of common sense measure most people in this era of graphic glitz might not think of. Having come from dial-up at a time when the rest of the world was on broadband, I can fully appreciate the value of this.

Given this will happen again and again, I can see a revisit to AM as well. We all rant about climate changes, especially me, but as we all have ignored that, its a mitigation era

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#3037899 16-Feb-2023 19:32

Rikkitic:
they deserve a +1 for the decision to publish a text-only page for those with poor connectivity. This is the kind of common sense measure most people in this era of graphic glitz might not think of.

Ping them and let them know. For every one person with common sense doing this there'll be ten managers asking "why are we spending money on this when everyone has smart phones and it's affecting our brand to provide such a low-tech page when we should have an animated logo and graphics and ...".

The sort of comment that would cut off suddenly with "click-click BOOM!" in a proper world.

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#3037901 16-Feb-2023 19:35

tdgeek:
Rikkitic:

Credit where due department: I am sometimes critical of RNZ for their dumb typos and sloppy editing but they deserve a +1 for the decision to publish a text-only page for those with poor connectivity. This is the kind of common sense measure most people in this era of graphic glitz might not think of. Having come from dial-up at a time when the rest of the world was on broadband, I can fully appreciate the value of this.

Given this will happen again and again, I can see a revisit to AM as well. We all rant about climate changes, especially me, but as we all have ignored that, its a mitigation era

Radio (as long as you still have power or batteries, of course) is still king in situations like this. I've heard a few ham radio operators in the Hawkes bay area on the national repeater system and on HF passing 3rd party traffic as well as setting up adhoc phone patches between people, as well as doing welfare checks and passing the results back to the hams outside of the region.

Including someone getting info out of the hawkes bay to aussie via an adhoc phone patch setup by some random ham that was listening at the time!

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#3037906 16-Feb-2023 19:52

neb:

Ping them and let them know. For every one person with common sense doing this there'll be ten managers asking "why are we spending money on this when everyone has smart phones and it's affecting our brand to provide such a low-tech page when we should have an animated logo and graphics and ...". The sort of comment that would cut off suddenly with "click-click BOOM!" in a proper world.

By all means ping them, though I'm not sure about the rest of this message. RNZ consistently have BY FAR the fastest news website in NZ. Its excellent and has been for years now. It also is one of the best looking (IMHO). I think whoever is in charge of their teams is already well aware of the need for performance as a feature.

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#3037910 16-Feb-2023 19:56

kyhwana2:

Radio (as long as you still have power or batteries, of course) is still king in situations like this. I've heard a few ham radio operators in the Hawkes bay area on the national repeater system and on HF passing 3rd party traffic as well as setting up adhoc phone patches between people, as well as doing welfare checks and passing the results back to the hams outside of the region. Including someone getting info out of the hawkes bay to aussie via an adhoc phone patch setup by some random ham that was listening at the time!

Radio definitely stepped up to the plate in Gisborne this week: https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/14-02-2023/in-gisbornes-blackout-the-maori-response-shone-brightly

Three Māori radio stations have been a part of Tairāwhiti’s official cyclone communication strategy: Radio Ngāti Porou, Turanga FM and Uawa FM. The stations’ airwaves and social media pages have been a source of credible information within the disaster-stricken region. On the Radio Ngāti Porou Facebook page, several people thanked the station for keeping people informed. The station committed to broadcasting 24 hours a day during the cyclone with the latest information – interrupted only by conditions outside of their control, like power outages. Mainstream radio stations such as More FM and RNZ have also been a lesser part of Gisborne’s official communication strategy. However, they have not featured as prominently and promptly as the Māori stations. The mainstream stations also have considerably more resources and staff than the Māori stations, putting into perspective the Māori efforts – particularly Radio Ngāti Porou’s commitment to a 24-hour broadcast.

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#3037911 16-Feb-2023 19:57

tdgeek:

Given this will happen again and again, I can see a revisit to AM as well. We all rant about climate changes, especially me, but as we all have ignored that, its a mitigation era

You would think so, but... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/parliament-radio-set-to-go-silent-ending-nearly-90-years-of-broadcast/VWLHMEMFJZEDBOPT7HIJ2Y6XJE/

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#3037915 16-Feb-2023 20:17

quickymart:

tdgeek:

Given this will happen again and again, I can see a revisit to AM as well. We all rant about climate changes, especially me, but as we all have ignored that, its a mitigation era

You would think so, but... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/parliament-radio-set-to-go-silent-ending-nearly-90-years-of-broadcast/VWLHMEMFJZEDBOPT7HIJ2Y6XJE/

That will change. Im not a radio network but in todays climate change world, battery powered AM or FM needs to stay. I assume FM may not have the reach?

We clearly need a comms system that is not internet based, even if its shut down but can easily be deployed via drop in transmitters. Back in the day we served out jackpoint phones as they were powered by the copper network not the house. Roll on to 2023, we need non copper/fibre/internet comms when needed. Cruddy radio in the cupboard, some AA batteries, chopper drops in a temp transmitter, sorted. Its a mitigation era now

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#3037918 16-Feb-2023 20:27

AM radio also kept me going when the power was out. I have renewed appreciation of it.

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#3037926 16-Feb-2023 20:43

I just wonder how we are going to mitigate the horrendous pain future storms are going to cause. The 'fix' just seems too hard, too expensive and too hurtful to all the many many thousands of people affected to be even imagined. Just moving a few houses from Matata was a drama.

Not criticising, but in hindsight Jacinda sure knew when to jump. I do feel sorry for governments present and future. Not to mention taxpayers!

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#3037934 16-Feb-2023 21:15

During a discussion today the Wairau Valley substation and grid exit point came up, that's this one (you need to use satellite view to see the layout). This is built in what's probably the single most flood-prone portion of the Wairau Valley, at the intersection of two large culverts that don't handle rainfall too well, in particular the one that runs along the left in the image tends to flood as soon as there's heavy rain, not just the recent events. I was actually surprised we didn't lose power for an extended period because the GXP was under water, and it turns out we only just avoided it.

Anyone know why they'd put a substation/GXP in probably the worst flood-risk location in the valley, and one that actually flooded while it was being built just in case they hadn't noticed before then?

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#3037940 16-Feb-2023 21:33

neb: During a discussion today the Wairau Valley substation and grid exit point came up, that's this one (you need to use satellite view to see the layout). This is built in what's probably the single most flood-prone portion of the Wairau Valley, at the intersection of two large culverts that don't handle rainfall too well, in particular the one that runs along the left in the image tends to flood as soon as there's heavy rain, not just the recent events. I was actually surprised we didn't lose power for an extended period because the GXP was under water, and it turns out we only just avoided it. Anyone know why they'd put a substation/GXP in probably the worst flood-risk location in the valley, and one that actually flooded while it was being built just in case they hadn't noticed before then?

Because the land was cheap and nothing else was on it because it flooded. Just like why they put a supermarket and bunnings there. Those drainage ditches beside the road are all they put in to try to drain a floodplane inorder to build on it.

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#3038053 17-Feb-2023 10:50

Is anyone doing a thing where you can text a number and make a donation to the relief efforts, and have it charged to your mobile bill?

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#3038062 17-Feb-2023 11:09

quickymart:

Is anyone doing a thing where you can text a number and make a donation to the relief efforts, and have it charged to your mobile bill?

Nope, I have a work-provided phone, and they tend to frown on that kind of thing.

I did pop down to the Blood Service and donate plasma yesterday though. If you're eligible and able, I recommend donating, there's bound to be demand.

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