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Dingbatt
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  #3029274 30-Jan-2023 10:18
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The media have obviously promoted David Letele to emergency management expert. The “gym owner and community leader” has been quoted by the NZHerald as calling for Wayne Brown’s resignation over his handling of the situation. The Herald includes in Letele’s credentials that he helped health authorities access the PI community during the pandemic response. As if that has anything to do with a fast evolving weather event. But then I’ve come to expect that from the NZH who have been on Brown’s case ever since he beat Efeso Collins in the mayoral race. Brown is certainly not good at PR, but we have been spoiled by people who have been media trained (and have a natural gift) like the previous PM and mayors like Bob Parker (during the Christchurch earthquake). I doubt Collins would have been any more effective in the actual response than Brown, but probably would have been better at the PR message. Including telling people to “Be Kind”. All leaders rely on their support staff. Otherwise we would just need a council of one, where the Mayor knew and did everything.

 

In a previous job I had a liaison role with the emergency management system, both at a regional and national level. My experience was NZ Police, FENZ and Ambulance services could be relied on to quickly respond. Likewise, when called upon, the NZDF can provide directed support. The declaration of an emergency provides additional powers to those entities and their centralised communication and control systems allows effective response.

 

My experience with the “local official” side of things doesn’t fill me with the same level of confidence. The further away from the NEMA bunker in the Beehive you get, the less ability there is. Until you get to the people at the coalface, who are acting to, and sometimes beyond, what you would expect.

 

Auckland has dodged events in the past, more by good luck than anything else. People expect politicians to be “The Decider” (to quote a former US President) but they are just as likely to dither as a lot of other people when what they are faced with is outside their experience.





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  #3029346 30-Jan-2023 10:59
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@dingbatt - We all know the media have an agenda beyond reporting the news, so that's to be expected these days.

Comms from all agencies and political leaders left much to be desired. Ironically Watercare and Auckland Transport seemed to be the fastest to respond and provided frequent and useful updates - a welcome improvement!

Comms channels are more fragmented these days though with messages being posted via txt, push notifications, twitter, facebook, instagram, tiktok, and traditional media agencies, so it's harder or impossible to get a single centralised place for all important updates. It's not like when you used to just tune the radio or turn on the TV to an emergency broadcast.






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  #3029439 30-Jan-2023 12:19
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You said:

 

eracode:

 

The Emergency Alert this evening talks about thunderstorms.

 

Right now, Blitzortung - although notoriously unreliable - is showing a grand total of four lightning events in the last two hours for the whole of NZ and its surrounding oceans.

 

 

 

 

eracode:

 

I never implied anything about prediction. 

 

 

 

 

Implied or not, I wanted to make sure readers understand that there's no relation between current (what's on Blitzortung at any time) and predicted (via the emergency alert)  thunderstorm activity.

 

As in, huh, conditions look ok for kite flying, that warning must be bogus.





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  #3029607 30-Jan-2023 13:53
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Car park e is higher than the terminal

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  #3029668 30-Jan-2023 14:33
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Bryce Edwards has a thorough look at the official response on Friday night (or the lack thereof) and finds it wanting: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/political-roundup-how-authorities-failed-aucklanders-in-an-emergency/34XNJJOVKZD6FO4CDYTXQCEUO4/

 

 


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  #3029669 30-Jan-2023 14:39
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panther2: Car park e is higher than the terminal

 

Also the flooding around the International Terminal was quite localised ( its a low point)

 

- note the pedestrian crossing visible where the black van is turning, 

 

it was basically right in front of the international check in entry ( which is why I suspect it just flowed into the building) 

 


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  #3029673 30-Jan-2023 14:52
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wellygary:

Also the flooding around the International Terminal was quite localised ( its a low point)

 

- note the pedestrian crossing visible where the black van is turning, 

 

it was basically right in front of the international check in entry ( which is why I suspect it just flowed into the building) 

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That makes it easier for the planners to sort out where to add new drains... less easy for somewhere like Wairau Valley which has been flood-prone for years and adding more drainage will mean digging through a huge amount of expensive acreage.



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  #3029674 30-Jan-2023 14:55
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I'd say this is pretty clear evidence that Wayne Brown maybe be mayor but he's not a leader, and shows little or no leadership skills. In a time of uncertainty he took a passive approach 'listening to the experts' aka 'doesn't want to make a decision', no comms he's busy talking to the 'important people (professionals, and bureaucrats he otherwise complains about)' not the citizens of Auckland. FFS He would have managed to do a better job if it's simply rung up or sent and email to RNZ and the other radio stations and said "there is a lot of rain, keep an eye on things, and if it's heavy you may need to evacuate, and I'm in contact with our emergency services and they're doing everything they can. Oh and Roads X, Y and Z are closed and please stay on high ground", then told the comms teams to post that to social media and promised a brief update every hour on the hour...


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neb:
wellygary:

 

Also the flooding around the International Terminal was quite localised ( its a low point)
- note the pedestrian crossing visible where the black van is turning, 
it was basically right in front of the international check in entry ( which is why I suspect it just flowed into the building) 


That makes it easier for the planners to sort out where to add new drains... less easy for somewhere like Wairau Valley which has been flood-prone for years and adding more drainage will mean digging through a huge amount of expensive acreage.

 

I hope the airport management look at more than just drains, although more and bigger drains are obviously needed.
Seems to me that work to re-profile road surfaces and install some 200mm-high curbs would direct any future floods away from the terminal building

 

 


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  #3029678 30-Jan-2023 15:00
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eonsim:

I'd say this is pretty clear evidence that Wayne Brown maybe be mayor but he's not a leader, and shows little or no leadership skills. In a time of uncertainty he took a passive approach 'listening to the experts' aka 'doesn't want to make a decision', no comms he's busy talking to the 'important people (professionals, and bureaucrats he otherwise complains about)' not the citizens of Auckland. FFS.

 

 

Yup. If you look at the quote from the earlier article:

 

 

In defending his role in delay, Brown has said he had to let the bureaucracy do its job and follow the correct process: “The state of emergency is a prescribed process. It’s quite formal. I had to wait until I had the official request from the emergency management centre”.

 

 

Yeah, because in an emergency, defn: "a serious, unexpected, and often dangerous situation requiring immediate action" the appropriate response is to sit back and let things run their course while watching from the sidelines.

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  #3029680 30-Jan-2023 15:16
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Also if I remember rightly in one of the press conferences he said something like "he got told it was emergency by the business he owns before he heard it from more official sources", is that correct can some one find the original quote? IF anyone can stomach listening through his various press conferences from the last couple of days...

 

If my memory is correct then it sounds like he's paying more attention to his private business interests in the middle of an emergency, than other sources he's so cut off from things that he can't even get a personal feel from what's going on...


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  #3029696 30-Jan-2023 15:31
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PolicyGuy:

 

I hope the airport management look at more than just drains, although more and bigger drains are obviously needed.
Seems to me that work to re-profile road surfaces and install some 200mm-high curbs would direct any future floods away from the terminal building

 

When I did civil engineering, many many years ago, for large flat areas like airports, industrial areas and flattish subdivisions, we always designed the roads to be at least 300mm below the sections or expected floor heights of buildings. So, the roads can become the ponding area for excess water. And if possible, use the roads as a "river" to run the water to somewhere safer.


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  #3029699 30-Jan-2023 15:39
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eonsim:

 

I'd say this is pretty clear evidence that Wayne Brown maybe be mayor but he's not a leader, and shows little or no leadership skills. In a time of uncertainty he took a passive approach 'listening to the experts' aka 'doesn't want to make a decision', no comms he's busy talking to the 'important people (professionals, and bureaucrats he otherwise complains about)' not the citizens of Auckland. FFS He would have managed to do a better job if it's simply rung up or sent and email to RNZ and the other radio stations and said "there is a lot of rain, keep an eye on things, and if it's heavy you may need to evacuate, and I'm in contact with our emergency services and they're doing everything they can. Oh and Roads X, Y and Z are closed and please stay on high ground", then told the comms teams to post that to social media and promised a brief update every hour on the hour...

 

 

My bolding.

 

This is all too common with people who transition from business to politics. They think since they managed to make some money and that government also involves money, they'll be suited to it. 

 

I infer from Wayne Brown's general avoidance of the media to date as well as his disavowal of social media, as well as his performance in front of the cameras on recently, that he has trouble thinking on his feet and responding appropriately. I can understand that, I'm sometimes that way myself, but then, I didn't run for Auckland mayor.





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We've been lucky...... we've had great response from State Insurance so far, flooded Friday, Sat morning they had Jae Flooring in with their gear to start drying the place out. Assessor already been round and said fire her quotes from whoever we can that can do the work for the damage and list anything we lost. So looking at new flooring in bedroom, back wall, ensuite........  so I'll be sleeping in the kids room for a while :) Builder booked for tomorrow.

 

 





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