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#3160173 16-Nov-2023 14:58

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Julian Batchelor

That racist a-hole is nothing but a s--t stirrer.

https://archive.li/QuVfF

https://archive.ph/1jrcZ

Fortunately, after the election he seems to have gone fairly quiet. Maybe he realises he didn't quite have all the support from the general public that he thought he did?

[he]...told those gathered how he aimed to finish the roadshow with a 100,000-strong protest in Auckland. - LOL, I bet he didn't even have 10% of that amount! 😄

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#3160174 16-Nov-2023 15:00

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MikeAqua:

Back on the subject of conspiracy, I got a booklet about saying no to co-governance. Setting aside personal views, the booklet was really propaganda like, kind of paranoid and not very coherent. It looked like some expense had been taken to print and publish it.

Did it talk about Chinese fleets, or stone walls in the Waikato, or the Waipoua stone city in Northland :)

Are those from the Celtic NZ conspiracy? That is quite a read.

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#3160185 16-Nov-2023 15:21

MikeAqua:

Something impressive about Darwin is that he could see the gaps in his own theory.

2) He acknowledged \the existence of sterile social insects (worker bees etc) as problematic for his theory (since they never get to produce offspring).

of course those colony's of sterile worker bees have males to breed with, which is why they breed and still exist today. of course with the likes of honey bees, what the eggs are fed determines if they become sterile workers or a queen. the males are from unfertilized eggs.

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#3160217 16-Nov-2023 16:45

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of course those colony's of sterile worker bees have males to breed with, which is why they breed and still exist today. of course with the likes of honey bees, what the eggs are fed determines if they become sterile workers or a queen. the males are from unfertilized eggs.

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#3160224 16-Nov-2023 17:01

Rikkitic:

tweake:

of course those colony's of sterile worker bees have males to breed with, which is why they breed and still exist today. of course with the likes of honey bees, what the eggs are fed determines if they become sterile workers or a queen. the males are from unfertilized eggs.

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what bit you don't you understand?

having sterile insects does not change the colony survival, so darwin had no need to worry about his theory. as many social insects, while they do not breed individually, they breed at colony level and the colony evolves.

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#3160226 16-Nov-2023 17:09

What has that got to do with conspiracy theorists? Sorry, I'm not making the connection here.

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#3160228 16-Nov-2023 17:18

quickymart:

What has that got to do with conspiracy theorists? Sorry, I'm not making the connection here.

i have no idea. bit of a tangent there. probably there is a conspiracy theory that darwins theory of evolution is wrong, therefore whatever religious theory they happen to believe in is correct.

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#3160282 16-Nov-2023 21:21

Here's an interview with a prominent conspiracy theorist (despite what he thinks about himself): https://archive.ph/ANOqJ

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#3160566 17-Nov-2023 14:38

tweake:

of course those colony's of sterile worker bees have males to breed with, which is why they breed and still exist today. of course with the likes of honey bees, what the eggs are fed determines if they become sterile workers or a queen. the males are from unfertilized eggs.

The workers don't breed with a male/drone, the queen does. Typically, she flies to a drone-mating area, further from her hive than a drone can fly.

The workers have 50% of the queens DNA. If they can produce masses of offspring as a hive, via cooperation and specialisation, their genes proliferate more than of they were fertile bees mating 1:1 with drones.

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#3160647 17-Nov-2023 16:13

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MikeAqua:

Back on the subject of conspiracy, I got a booklet about saying no to co-governance. Setting aside personal views, the booklet was really propaganda like, kind of paranoid and not very coherent. It looked like some expense had been taken to print and publish it.

Does the booklet give any idea as to what organisation or individual created it?

The most (in)famous material that's been widely produced is Julian Batchelor-generated content to accompany his 'tour'...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/132693599/dangerous-anti-cogovernance-booklet-might-be-in-breach-of-electoral-act

@MikeAqua - did you find out who produced the booklet you have? And was it a mailbox drop-off or did you get hold of it another way? Just interested if this group is back aggitating...

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#3161375 20-Nov-2023 09:08

I have previously worked in government and seen some of the correspondence that goes to Ministers and MPs, so the existence of these nut jobs doesn't surprise me. They have always been there. What did surprise me, with the Parliamentary protests etc, is just how many of them there seems to be. That was very disturbing.

Some of this stuff isn't merely a loss of confidence in science and the state, it's the fevered mutterings of lunatics (birds aren't real, the reptilians rule us, Bill Gates uses vaccines to track and control us, Hillary Clinton tortures children in basements to get adrenochrome and be immortal, etc etc).

A friend's ex-wife has gone deep, deep, deep down the QAnon conspiracy rabbit hole - which is worrying him immensely as they have shared custody of vulnerable young children. It's way past having a few nutty ideas, she needs serious mental health support and doesn't appear to be getting it.

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#3161870 21-Nov-2023 08:48

jonathan18:

@MikeAqua - did you find out who produced the booklet you have? And was it a mailbox drop-off or did you get hold of it another way? Just interested if this group is back aggitating...

It was a mailbox drop off. I binned it so I couldn't tell you who produced it sorry. They kept referring to tribal corporations. Perhaps that is a phrase specific to one author/group.

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#3161920 21-Nov-2023 10:42

JimmyH:

A friend's ex-wife has gone deep, deep, deep down the QAnon conspiracy rabbit hole - which is worrying him immensely as they have shared custody of vulnerable young children. It's way past having a few nutty ideas, she needs serious mental health support and doesn't appear to be getting it.

I wonder if these people are being driven by clinical mental health problems, or whether this phenomenon is exploiting natural weaknesses in human psychology. People do some very strange things when they become lonely or suffer from ongoing extreme stress.

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#3162031 21-Nov-2023 12:54

alasta:

JimmyH:

A friend's ex-wife has gone deep, deep, deep down the QAnon conspiracy rabbit hole - which is worrying him immensely as they have shared custody of vulnerable young children. It's way past having a few nutty ideas, she needs serious mental health support and doesn't appear to be getting it.

I wonder if these people are being driven by clinical mental health problems, or whether this phenomenon is exploiting natural weaknesses in human psychology. People do some very strange things when they become lonely or suffer from ongoing extreme stress.

Fear. If you can make people afraid (communism, terrorists, vaccines, guns, drugs, racism, etc etc) and then offer them a "solution" in a way that although complete B.S sounds plausible, then lots of people will let that person take charge. We see this in US politics now, it is all about fear, not so much about policies.

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#3162056 21-Nov-2023 13:30

alasta:
JimmyH:
A friend's ex-wife has gone deep, deep, deep down the QAnon conspiracy rabbit hole - which is worrying him immensely as they have shared custody of vulnerable young children. It's way past having a few nutty ideas, she needs serious mental health support and doesn't appear to be getting it.

I wonder if these people are being driven by clinical mental health problems, or whether this phenomenon is exploiting natural weaknesses in human psychology. People do some very strange things when they become lonely or suffer from ongoing extreme stress.

It's interesting QAnon takes in a lot of women to an extent that did not occur with the prior conspiracies like chem trails and bilderbergers and all that. I can take a guess the QAnon child abuse and child anti-vax has a bigger draw. Maybe this how the original middle-ages blood drinking conspiracies worked.

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