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  #3231771 17-May-2024 13:48
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mrgsm021:

 

I just don't get companies who get the so-called consultants involved in workplace transformations when these consultants know nothing about your company structure, policy, culture, inner workings, the ICT systems and platforms, and yet the best/most suitable people to get involved in such transformation are actually right there all along - the employees.

 

 

The sweet spot is somewhere in the middle. In my experience, most businesses' staff are very busy with the BAU work load so they simply don't have the capacity to staff a major, transformational project. Also, transformational projects mean new tools and technology that the current staff have no experience with. As you say, the consultants lack understanding of the business' unique character, but they are not sufficiently funded to take the time to acquire that understanding. To make things worse, consultants do tend to see every problem as a nail, when they have a lot of hammers in their toolbox. And finally, when all is done and dusted, the business has no money left to train the staff in the new tools.

 

So you generally need some outside help from people who are specialists in new stuff you are introducing, but who are not required long term.

 

 


 
 
 
 

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  #3231837 17-May-2024 14:36
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Senecio:

turtleattacks:


Why not just hire new internal resource to implement it? 



Because its a project with a start and finish date. What do you do with them when its over?



Yip. It’s the same reason you hire an electrician to install a power outlet. You don’t employ him as you only need one power outlet installed.

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  #3231841 17-May-2024 14:58
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The organisation I work for offers management and digital implementation consulting as one of our offerings so take that as you will.

 

Many organisations want to do "something" and really have no idea how to do it. They aren't likely to do "something" repetitively so it makes sense to go to the market and employ a specialist to run the project. This is why they employ consultants, just as if they wanted to build a new building they would employ consultants to run that process.

 

Many organisations do that with a variety of services that aren't their core business, from construction to facilities management to IT.

 

There's pluses and minuses to the approach, consultants can add signifiant value as they come with a fresh set of eyes, don't have a vested interest in maintaining existing structures and many get to see a variety of organisations and understand what works and what doesn't.

 

Where it becomes problematic is when they employ consultants to do BAU. If it's their core business that knowledge should be in house.

 

If we go back to the example that OP posted Waka Kotahi worked on the premise that they could combine the back end for tolls and speed cameras. They didn't have the knowledge of those back end platforms to assess that it could or could not be done which is why they engaged consultants.

 

If they had employed a team to do this they would have taken several months to recuit, employ and onboard a team only to discover that what they originally wanted to do was not practical and then they would have had to terminate the team. It would seem from this example that engaging consultants was the right thing to do and they probably should have done it earlier.




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  #3231843 17-May-2024 15:07
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I work for a large Govt agency that uses consultants fairly often. In my experience, they are usually hired to tell you what you want to hear. It is simply is a way to give the executives plausible deniability.  

 

I have a friend who is a HR consultant. They freely admit they are hired only to when a company wants to fire a bunch of people and want an "independent" outsider to tell them they need to fire a bunch of people. 

 

 


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  #3231980 17-May-2024 20:59
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mrgsm021:

 

I just don't get companies who get the so-called consultants involved in workplace transformations when these consultants know nothing about your company structure, policy, culture, inner workings, the ICT systems and platforms, and yet the best/most suitable people to get involved in such transformation are actually right there all along - the employees.

 

 

In a lot of cases it's done because a particular change needs to be made, everyone knows the change needs to be made, but you need to get someone to come in from the outside to tell you that it needs to be made otherwise nothing can get done.


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  #3231985 17-May-2024 21:20
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Typically how consulting works is that someone decides that there are decisions to be made but to put together a business case, they need some backing and having outside consultants adds bit more weight before it goes up the chain. Depending on the sponsor, changes are typically made to the report to meet a particular objective the sponsor may have in mind hence while consultants provide and independent view, they sometimes add weight to certain parts.

 

Some low hanging wins are put into action promptly if it does not cost the business however, the bigger, pie in the sky ideas take more $$ and many times get knocked back hence why you don't see any real-world benefits come out of it.


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  #3231989 17-May-2024 21:33
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As usual, Rob Sitch and co have summed this up perfectly:

 




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  #3232010 18-May-2024 07:07
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tweake:

 

i can understand bringing in consultants when the workplace doesn't have the tech or knowledge in house. 

 

however i deal with some companies that have a consultant and that consultant is one i've dealt with before, and their history is rather poor. they tend to "read from the script" rather than actually investigating the situation and dealing with that.

 

just because they are professionals or a consultant doesn't mean they know what they are doing. 

 

 

exactly the same experience

 

they have an agenda, no matter what they "discover", the final report has already been written before they started, and nothing useful changes out of it.

 

consultants get richer, managers keep their jobs, life goes on as usual for most, some useful staff made redundant, new roles created for some but are basically the same job with a different title, and wait for the next cycle of consultation rinse repeat.


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  #3232044 18-May-2024 08:51
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Huh, consultants. I don't know how many I've seen come and go in my professional life because NONE of them managed to talk an airplane into the air. 😈





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  #3232046 18-May-2024 09:22
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Every.  Single.  Time.

 

They get trotted in to "transform our processes".  They sit down, get us to tell them what we do, then after many months of ignoring what we told them, interfering with our work and making life frustrating and more difficult, waft out the door with a big pay check having achieved precisely nothing.

 

Every time, without fail, when challenged on "every previous one has done the above and just reads from the latest book of the day" swear black and blue that they are not going to do that and will actually listen to us, they then do exactly the thing with whatever the latest "industry process" is.

 

When asked "What problem is it that you are trying to solve?" they never have an answer as they are not there to solve any problems, only to sell whatever their product of the day is with a handsome kickback and exorbitant ongoing license fees.

 

The biggest problem is that senior management refuses to believe that their own staff could possible know more than an expensive consultant.  After all, if they charge that much, they must be true experts right?  *facepalm*





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