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  #3258278 11-Jul-2024 02:50
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pdh:

 

> What are the laws you are referring to?

 

Well, without trying for the correct garment names, a large portion of the locals (less-so the immigrant workers) find it good to wear a form of all-encompassing robe, with varying amount of head covering. As a visitor, there's a code of compliance for men and women in public (more so in mosques) that mentions cleavage, sleeves, shorts length, etc.
The tone of visitor info is that you could (eg) go to jail for too skimpy a top.
(If you were female... I wasn't personally worried, as I'm male and past wearing skimpy tops ;-).

 

Certainly we were aware that a public kiss or hug (of a married, hetro couple) could well land you in handcuffs.

 

A long way from the Spanish Inquisition, and not insufferable... I just wouldn't care to live in a society with those norms.  

 

My point was that for many people in the world, that's a norm.
A 'proper-behaviour' norm.
But it seems to me it's not a firmware norm - it's a more superficial cultural norm.
Just like many of ours - eg: the lady who's offended by G-strings.

 

 

So you can't cite any laws about dress just your own assumptions. That would be because those "laws" don't exist. You can't go nude but you can pretty much wear what you like in Dubai. Certainly if you go to any of the major malls you will see a wide variety of dress, Dubai is an expat city with a wide variety of cultures.

 

We've lived here for six years and my wife and daughters wear what they would wear in New Zealand, mostly t-shirts, singlets and shorts. Some women wear abayas and the hijab, some don't. It's not a legal requirement, it's a cultural norm. Equally some men wear a Kandura, some don't.

 

What you are citing as a "code of compliance" is a request that shoulders are covered in many public places. There is zero enforcement of this as it is a request not a law. The only exception is mosques and government buildings where you won't get arrested, you just just get asked to cover up before you can enter.

 

If you would like to cite the law that giving your partner a hug or a kiss will get put in jail that would be great. I've regularly hugged and kissed my wife in public for the last six years I've lived in Dubai and no one has arrested me. I don't know anyone who has even been talked for such a heinous offence.

 

It's all fun to make claims about in another country but it'd be nice if it came from a place that wasn't ignorant of the actual laws and customs.


 
 
 

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  #3258358 11-Jul-2024 09:30
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Maybe she could take the time to educate her son to not sexualise women's bodies.

 

Then maybe we could all educate ourselves to stop sexualising women's bodies.


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  #3258359 11-Jul-2024 09:35
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martyyn:

 

Maybe she could take the time to educate her son to not sexualise women's bodies.

 

Then maybe we could all educate ourselves to stop sexualising women's bodies.

 

 

This is the answer.





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  #3258370 11-Jul-2024 10:03
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I feel for the boys. They'll be ridiculed.

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  #3258371 11-Jul-2024 10:03
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> So you can't cite any laws about dress just your own assumptions...
> It's all fun to make claims about in another country but it'd be nice if it
> came from a place that wasn't ignorant of the actual laws and customs.

 

Well, I didn't set out to take the local bar exams... but did read a variety of tourist advice sites - informal and official. 
I try to be sensibly informed when I visit a new place.
Here's the relevant section from the current NZ Government's formal advice to travellers to Dubai:

 

Local Laws and Customs
It is recommended that New Zealanders travelling to the UAE familiarise themselves with local laws and customs. There are serious penalties for acts that may not be illegal or inappropriate in New Zealand. Laws may also vary between the seven Emirates of the UAE.

 

The UAE is an Arab Islamic country and travellers are advised to respect local customs, which are conservative in regards to sex and relationships.  Homosexual relationships are still considered strictly illegal in the UAE.  Heterosexual sex and cohabitation outside of marriage has been legal since January 2021 (where the couple are both from countries without Islamic Shariah Marriage laws), but may be viewed negatively by parts of Emirati society. There have been instances where victims of sexual assault have been detained after reporting an incident to police or seeking medical assistance.

 

Modesty and discretion should be exercised in both dress and behaviour, including via all kinds of social media. The use of bad language, rude gestures, and public displays of affection, and behaviour that disrespects the ruling families/government officials, local culture or Islam, may result in complaints and charges being laid by the local authorities. New Zealanders are advised to respect religious and social traditions to avoid offending local sensitivities, and to be mindful of their social media involvement (posts, liking, sharing and comments). 

 

Here's 2023 advice from Newshub.co.nz

 

In downtown Dubai, at the shopping malls or at Burj Park for example, there are less stringent restrictions on attire: while trawling through the Dubai Mall, I noticed many women (read, not Emirati women) were wearing mini skirts, strappy or sleeveless tops, cropped shirts, and figure-hugging dresses. However, doing so does run the risk of attracting attention (not in a good way) or being asked to cover up.

 

Overall, here are a few basic rules that should get you by without issue: cover the shoulders, knees, midriff and cleavage; avoid any clothing that is transparent or overly clingy; and cover up without protest if you are asked to do so.

 

While in downtown Dubai, I typically stuck to wearing maxi or ankle-length skirts with short-sleeved T-shirts (you can get away with a slight crop, particularly if your bottoms are high-waisted). It's a good idea to take a shawl or cover-up with you which you can easily throw on. For the high temperatures, linen trousers or loose-fitting cargos are a good bet, as well as maxi dresses and skirts. Longer shorts are mostly acceptable, as long as the bottom is completely covered - however, you should typically aim to cover your knees in most settings. 

 

Any google search on the matter of public affection gives a range of hysterical stories - this site is more level headed:
https://www.thenationalnews.com/uae/heritage/2023/03/06/the-rules-are-clear-says-lawyer-no-kissing-allowed-in-dubai/

 

So - I'm very pleased that your family has remained unscathed for 6 years - long may it continue.


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  #3258374 11-Jul-2024 10:11
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CYaBro:

 

Just wait until the all the guys start wearing g-strings! 🤣

 

 

As a man: Why buy a g-string when a sock will do the same job at an eighth of the price.





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  #3258387 11-Jul-2024 11:28
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This is all rather woke and sexist and could enforce stereotype genderism on her boys.

 

If she has these types of gender worries then she should move to certain States in the bad old US of A.

 

So stupid and ridiculous.





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  #3258388 11-Jul-2024 11:31
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FineWine:

 

This is all rather woke and sexist and could enforce stereotype genderism on her boys.

 

If she has these types of gender worries then she should move to certain States in the bad old US of A.

 

So stupid and ridiculous.

 

 

I think her behaviour is exactly the opposite of woke.

 

A "woke" person (aware/attuned to social/personal issues) would not try to limit other people's rights.

 

At best she's a conservative.





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MikeAqua:

 

As a man: Why buy a g-string when a sock will do the same job at an eighth of the price.

 

 

Finally, a use for all those odd socks I have been accumulating at the back of the drawer 😃

 

More seriously, this woman comes across as a bit of a nut. It's essentially saying that she doesn't like a type of clothing so it should be banned. There is no suggestion of inappropriate conduct or harm to anyone. I doubt her boys cared. Heck, unless their mother was making a fuss I doubt they would have even noticed. I feel sorry for her boys, growing up with a mother like that probably isn't much fun. Also, if she's worried about that, wait until her boys discover what's on the internet!

 

If all the harmful things people are doing out there, I don't think peaceable people minding their own business with friends at a pool should be of concern to anyone. It's a waste of the Council's time to even have to respond to clowns like this.


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  #3258410 11-Jul-2024 12:16
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MikeAqua:

 

CYaBro:

 

Just wait until the all the guys start wearing g-strings! 🤣

 

 

As a man: Why buy a g-string when a sock will do the same job at an eighth of the price.

 

 

Tends to fall off at the worst possible moment, particularly on cold days.


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  #3258415 11-Jul-2024 12:26
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The petitioner's comment about pornography surprised me. I did wonder if the petitioner had seen a lot of porn with g-strings and reacted just on that basis.


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  #3258427 11-Jul-2024 12:42
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jlittle: I feel for the boys. They'll be ridiculed.

 

Oh hell yeah, she has made their school life hell now.





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  #3258428 11-Jul-2024 12:43
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The petitioner does not come across as nutty to me and I think there's no need for insults but it does make me wonder what else the petitioner might like to ban and where. I've started to notice things. In a lift on my way to the shops a woman got in obviously on the way to the gym wearing some kind of see-through compression tights. I suspect the petitioner with three boys in tow might have reacted badly to that one.

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  #3258433 11-Jul-2024 12:52
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Activewear? That's day to day since lorna jane etc come along.

Supermarket attire. Play Centre attire.

Just like pjs.

I recall some mock videos about Activewear when the trend started. People kicked a stink. Now it's apparently acceptable norm.

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  #3258434 11-Jul-2024 12:54
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johno1234:

 

MikeAqua:

 

As a man: Why buy a g-string when a sock will do the same job at an eighth of the price.

 

 

Tends to fall off at the worst possible moment, particularly on cold days.

 

 

Duct tape





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