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wellygary
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  #3372833 13-May-2025 16:53
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mattwnz:

 

One of those being to the government. So they don't want to make major changes that could effect their revenue. Normally with income generation assets like the cook strait cable, a business will  depreciate the assets over time and money then put aside for their replacement. But I understand with this new cable, they are wanting to offset the cost as an additional cost on power prices for the next 40 years. But how did they fund it last time in the 90's when it got replaced.  I think it is a bit sus that they never mentioned this in the news article I saw. 1.4 billion though over 40 years isn't a bad price though considering any piece of infrastructure now seems to be over a billion. But I recall a new harbour bridge would be about that amount and could be paid for over 40 years with tolls or regional fuel tax, or rates if it isn't part of the state highway network.

 

 

This is basically what is happening, and if Transpower was allowed to be a regular business it would have simply got on with the investment, 

 

BUT- Transpower is a regulated monopoly, and as such the Commerce commission is charged with getting its grubby fingers all over their accounts to make sure that the "network operator" is not spending too much money on operating the network... 

 

You have got to wonder what would happen if the Commission came out and said.. oh no you're spending too much on this project you cant do it".... but that won't happen.... its basically a government enforced box ticking exercise that keeps bureaucrats in Wellington employed. ..

 

Why the Commerce Commission simply don't embed one of their staffers in Transpower to tick this off internally constantly baffles me... ( They are all "government" organisations)

 

 




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  #3372847 13-May-2025 18:02
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michaelmurfy:

 

These days I’m with Genesis which leaves a sour taste in my mouth. 

 

 

Same, after Frank (I'm aware Genesis own them) decided to ditch gas then raise their electricity prices as well.

 

Genesis were the best price, but I'm not a fan of being with them.. though they just gave me 15 hours of free power the other day so yay I guess..


mattwnz
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  #3372865 13-May-2025 19:31
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dfnt:

 

michaelmurfy:

 

These days I’m with Genesis which leaves a sour taste in my mouth. 

 

 

Same, after Frank (I'm aware Genesis own them) decided to ditch gas then raise their electricity prices as well.

 

Genesis were the best price, but I'm not a fan of being with them.. though they just gave me 15 hours of free power the other day so yay I guess..

 

 

 

 

Frank seems to be dying a slow death pricing hikes and getting rid of gas. where they used to offer free bottle rental if you had power with them. . They seem to have increased the low use daily rate twice in a year so far.




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  #3372870 13-May-2025 19:43
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I m with Flick and my power went up nearly 20% just last month but it is still way cheaper than anything else i can find even after the price rise, but i hate meridian so not sure where to go.





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  #3372875 13-May-2025 19:56
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Indeed, just got April bill and its up around 17% and from the quick look I've had today is far lower rate than anyone else is offering.





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  #3372929 13-May-2025 21:53
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mattwnz:

 

dfnt:

 

michaelmurfy:

 

These days I’m with Genesis which leaves a sour taste in my mouth. 

 

 

Same, after Frank (I'm aware Genesis own them) decided to ditch gas then raise their electricity prices as well.

 

Genesis were the best price, but I'm not a fan of being with them.. though they just gave me 15 hours of free power the other day so yay I guess..

 

 

 

 

Frank seems to be dying a slow death pricing hikes and getting rid of gas. where they used to offer free bottle rental if you had power with them. . They seem to have increased the low use daily rate twice in a year so far.

 

 

I was a loyal fan of Frank until this gas fiasco. My gas bottle account was transferred to Genesis without my consent but with a hefty price rise of more than 50% plus the introduction of a ridiculous bottle rental fee, so I called them and told them to shove it. They came and picked their 2 x 45kg gas bottles up, and I then bought and filled my own 18kg bottles. Given this is for our bach, we typically only used a single 45kg bottle in a year or so, so the 2 x 18kg bottles will last us around the same time - we'll just ferry a bottle back home in the boat to refill every 6 months (around $50 a fill vs $190 for Genesis' 45kg swap). Yes this is marginally more inconvenient but we are also now saving hundreds a year on bottle rental.

 

And as for electricity, as soon as the price rise from Frank came through, we switched to Electric Kiwi. Slightly more expensive KwH rate but they still maintain their 69c/day fixed charge for low users when everyone else including Frank has had 3 hikes to around $1.70 or more now.


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  #3372938 14-May-2025 03:51
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vexxxboy:

 

I m with Flick and my power went up nearly 20% just last month but it is still way cheaper than anything else i can find even after the price rise, but i hate meridian so not sure where to go.

 

 

 

 

Surely you would stay if they offered the same plans/rates?

 

If they don't then they will lose most if not all of the customers they are buying, which would seem a pretty stupid purchase in that case.

 

Meridians corporate honchos must realise that people who move to the likes of Flick etc are at the savvy end of the customer DNA pool and will vote with their computers if the new plans offer a few $$/month or a new toaster as incentives.


vexxxboy
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  #3372945 14-May-2025 07:22
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MikeFly:

 

 

 

Surely you would stay if they offered the same plans/rates?

 

If they don't then they will lose most if not all of the customers they are buying, which would seem a pretty stupid purchase in that case.

 

Meridians corporate honchos must realise that people who move to the likes of Flick etc are at the savvy end of the customer DNA pool and will vote with their computers if the new plans offer a few $$/month or a new toaster as incentives.

 

 

you would think but Meridian have said they are shutting Flick down and the 40,000 customers will be absorbed into Meridian so who knows what will happen but it doesn't sound good





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  #3372964 14-May-2025 08:13
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If I'm going to be a customer of Meridian again, I may as well return to its subsidiary Powershop. But I'll check out Ecotricity first.


CamH
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  #3372986 14-May-2025 09:27
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heapsort:

 

If I'm going to be a customer of Meridian again, I may as well return to its subsidiary Powershop. But I'll check out Ecotricity first.

 

 

Ecotricity is now 100% owned by Genesis just in case you weren't aware.






wellygary
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  #3372987 14-May-2025 09:51
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In terms of reasonable size the remaining independents are Nova, Polse, Elect Kiwi and 2 Degrees....

 

The others are truly minnows,  

 

 

 

 

 


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  #3372988 14-May-2025 09:59
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Huia Burt, co-founder of Electric Kiwi, agreed market conditions had been challenging in the past few years.

 

"We made the complaint to the Commerce Commission at the end of 2023 that we felt there were two key areas where competition was really being stifled in the market and one was around the refusal or constructive refusal to supply hedge contracts which is being looked at by the energy competition task force.

 

"There's this retail margin squeeze where effectively the gentailers are cross subsidising profits in general by really keeping a lid on on their retail profits and you could see through the last few years that their retail arms were either making no money or actually making large losses. And that was being subsidised through these huge profits and and generation. So yeah, it's very, very difficult to operate as a retailer."

 

This is the issue at the moment, there isn't a true market for energy generated. Or at least for the independent retailers to hedge their future energy purchases competitively. 

 

 

 

Meridian chief customer officer Lisa Hannifin said there was still "really great choice" of retailers in New Zealand.

 

"There's more retailers per capita in New Zealand than in both the Australian and UK markets."

 

This is bullshit spin from Meridian, the majority of those independent retailers are tiny.


darkasdes2
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  #3372990 14-May-2025 09:59
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Are there any independents left now? 

 

I have been with Flick since the start so sad to see them go. 


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  #3372991 14-May-2025 10:07
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There's more retailers per capita in New Zealand than in both the Australian and UK markets."

 

This actually pisses me off, gaslighting your majority owners. 

 

 


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