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  Reply # 207907 19-Apr-2009 12:01
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Well, rather than use the word 'intent', I should perhaps use the word 'purpose'. The purpose of why the site existed is very clear.

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  Reply # 207929 19-Apr-2009 14:38
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Adamal: Well, rather than use the word 'intent', I should perhaps use the word 'purpose'. The purpose of why the site existed is very clear.


you could also say that about blank dvd's but they still sell them




Common sense is not as common as you think.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 207942 19-Apr-2009 16:08
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I'm reminded of these quotes:

Stripped down to the bare essentials, consumers will choose the service with the most attractive balance of price, convenience, and quality. Piracy will always win on price, because you can't really beat free. The other two components are up for grabs.

Unfortunately many companies use their power and influence to halt and punish innovations they cannot think of ways to make money with.  The monopolies tried to stop the VHS, DVD, and MP3 player, but thankfully failed when they took it to Court.  Now Imagine for a second all the amazing products they did manage to squash.


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  Reply # 207949 19-Apr-2009 16:37
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Adamal: Well, rather than use the word 'intent', I should perhaps use the word 'purpose'. The purpose of why the site existed is very clear.


you could also say that about blank dvd's but they still sell them


True, but DVD's serve a purpose other than piracy. Eg, my Dad makes a lot of home movies etc. There are also people that use it as a valid media for storage of important personal history, such as documents, excel spreadsheets etc.

The PirateBay however, does not live to serve any other purpose other than pirated material. Its where the name 'Piratebay' is derived from!

I don't want people to get the wrong idea and think I'm some goody two shoes. I'm far from squeeky clean. By no means, however, will I try to defend something which I know is wrong. And bad. Like Badong. (Kung Pow joke).

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  Reply # 207954 19-Apr-2009 16:46
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Adamal:
The PirateBay however, does not live to serve any other purpose other than pirated material. Its where the name 'Piratebay' is derived from!


That's simply not true, piratebay tracks plenty of opensource/GPL software.

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  Reply # 207963 19-Apr-2009 17:17
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Adamal:
True, but DVD's serve a purpose other than piracy. Eg, my Dad makes a lot of home movies etc. There are also people that use it as a valid media for storage of important personal history, such as documents, excel spreadsheets etc.


And you're lucky you don't live in Canada where there is a blank CD/DVD tax.


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  Reply # 207969 19-Apr-2009 17:52
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Adamal:
The PirateBay however, does not live to serve any other purpose other than pirated material. Its where the name 'Piratebay' is derived from!


That's simply not true, piratebay tracks plenty of opensource/GPL software.


So are you saying that the original purpose of PB was for opensource software?
Saying that is like saying that MDMA (Ecstasy) was originally intended as a hunger suppressant. Which is true. Is that what its commonly used for these days? No.

If it was intended for that, why would they call it the PIRATE bay? The amount of legitimate software tracked on PB probably counts for 1%.

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  Reply # 208123 20-Apr-2009 12:48
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Tzleren:
Adamal:
The PirateBay however, does not live to serve any other purpose other than pirated material. Its where the name 'Piratebay' is derived from!


That's simply not true, piratebay tracks plenty of opensource/GPL software.


And other legally available free material - When Nine Inch Nails gave away an album, they provided a link to the Pirate Bay.




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  Reply # 208159 20-Apr-2009 14:43
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http://torrentfreak.com/torrentfreak-tv-pirate-bay-trial-special-090419/


quote, "brand new episode of TorrentFreak TV is a Pirate Bay trial special covering the verdict and its implications. "

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  Reply # 208162 20-Apr-2009 14:50
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Is NZ Post guilty of assisting copyright infringement if UserA sends a pirated copy of Sione's Wedding to UserB in the mail?

If you asked most people they would say no, if you apply some basic common sense you would probably conclude it's not NZ Post's fault the service was misused/abused.

Now the torrent site situation is similar but not the same, they enable User to many Users publically, not just User to User privately.  Saying it's 100% the Users doing the dirty is not going to work as a defense for torrent trackers.





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  Reply # 208165 20-Apr-2009 14:59
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Adamal:
If it was intended for that, why would they call it the PIRATE bay? The amount of legitimate software tracked on PB probably counts for 1%.


I'm not saying that at all, it's just the way you phrased it makes it sound as if TPB EXPLICITELY tracks pirated material.. which is not the case. 

Asides, the only thing that will result from this case is more traffic for TPB.

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  Reply # 208176 20-Apr-2009 15:35
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Adamal:
True, but DVD's serve a purpose other than piracy. Eg, my Dad makes a lot of home movies etc. .


Does your mum appear in these home movies too?

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  Reply # 208180 20-Apr-2009 15:56
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Adamal:
True, but DVD's serve a purpose other than piracy. Eg, my Dad makes a lot of home movies etc. .


Does your mum appear in these home movies too?


No, but yours does.


And so theres legit material on PB, so for me to say it EXPLICITLY serves to spread pirated material is also wrong. But its just a drop in the bucket really. Argure as you may, it doesn't change the fact that the majority of trackers on there are for pirated material.
All you're really doing is pointing out a minor technicallity flaw in my statement. By doing so, it isn't going to aid the situation in anyway or provide a loop hole to keep them out of prison.

As for the NZ Post thing, they receive the package closed. They don't open every package and inspect it. The packages also don't have writing on the outside saying what it contains, so they have no idea. They just have a DVD shaped package going to a destination.
Trackers have the title in them, so its obvious whats going on. 

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  Reply # 208197 20-Apr-2009 17:09
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Adamal:
And so theres legit material on PB, so for me to say it EXPLICITLY serves to spread pirated material is also wrong. But its just a drop in the bucket really. Argure as you may, it doesn't change the fact that the majority of trackers on there are for pirated material.
All you're really doing is pointing out a minor technicallity flaw in my statement. By doing so, it isn't going to aid the situation in anyway or provide a loop hole to keep them out of prison.

Well, I wasn't trying to aid the situation or provide a loop hole and I don't really know how you came to that conclusion? All I was doing was pointing out to others that TPB dosen't explicitely track pirated material.. I wasn't trying to make an argument for them, way to make a soap opera out of it though.

Trackers have the title in them, so its obvious whats going on. 

Trackers don't pass any of the actual data, so the title is completely irrelevant.  If I post an envelope with big bold words on the front exclaiming, "Contains 6 tonnes of China White" is it obvious what's going on?

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  Reply # 208266 21-Apr-2009 00:47
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You were picking the flysh!t out of the pepper.

Saying that there is legitimate software on there, and that my statement was technically wrong has nothing to do with the fact that its a huge database containing trackers linking users together to share pirated materials.

In essence, arguing for the sake of arguing. You're like the stereotypical nerd at a Star Trek convention who makes a point of correcting someone who was referencing an event and claimed in happened in episode 12 when it actually happened in the 'To Be Contiuned' episode 13.

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