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  # 240910 31-Jul-2009 11:58
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Put 'er there, pal :)

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# 240923 31-Jul-2009 12:24
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Adamal: Put 'er there, pal :)


I wish all threads that spiral downhill on Geekzone end on such a positive note.

 
 
 
 


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  # 240924 31-Jul-2009 12:25
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obviously we are both men with vast intelligence and emotional maturity :)




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  # 240952 31-Jul-2009 12:57
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riahon: "Police shoot crazed attacker"

"Man shot after 111 call"

"Knife wielding man shot by police"

"Police shooting, man down"

"Actor or Attacker - Shot"


The media later toned down some of their reports - but I can assure you "Gunned down" were the words used.



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  # 240960 31-Jul-2009 13:06
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Balchy: So I'm not sure what you are saying there, whether the medis is sensationalising or not, but what would you guys suggest?

A headline should be as succinct as possible, while garnering attention...


It should also be accurate!

Yes I know your response, I can hear you cry, gunned down was what happenned - but gunned down is not accurate, its overly dramatic and sensaltionalist, which is done not in the interests of accuracy, but in the interests of selling papers/getting viewers. Should this come before the accurate truth???

Shouldnt media reporting be deadly accurate without spin? What happened to just the facts?

Its a bit like a statement the family made about him coming out of the house and being armed with cutlery - the reality is that it was a meat cleaver - calling a meat cleaver cutlery, while not a outright lie, is not really accurate, and extremely minimalistic language.

Factual, fair, and balanced reporting is what its all about. Both sides of the story with no spin or slant - no problem with headlines, no problem with attention grabbing as long as it meets the points above!! Selling papers should be second to the ACCURATE truth.




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  # 240972 31-Jul-2009 13:32
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Shouldnt media reporting be deadly accurate without spin? What happened to just the facts?




You've obviously never seen fox news.

The reality is, any media organisation is going to have bias and spin depending on their politcal leanings and what is going to benefit them.

Same goes for the newspapers in the UK, you have different rags depending on different political affiliation.

So I think you may have an overly idealistic view of the world.  And it just goes to show, that you cant always take the MSM as gospel - good thing we have the internet and wikipedia - /s

As AJ Leibling said "People everywhere confuse what they read in newspapers with news"




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  # 240975 31-Jul-2009 13:47
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I remember one, something along the lines of *insert celebirty here* Cancer drama.

Turned out *celebrity* was involved in some cancer fund raising and that's all it was.




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BurningBeard: I remember one, something along the lines of *insert celebirty here* Cancer drama.

Turned out *celebrity* was involved in some cancer fund raising and that's all it was.


It might have been accurate if the celebrity was acting in a theatre production about cancer... hehe




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  # 241210 1-Aug-2009 15:05
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corksta: As part of a media relations course I did last year we were told by the speakers that with the ease at which things can be uploaded to the internet, the focus now is on being the first to get it out there but without worrying too much about whether it's true or not. So it's along the lines of, let's tell the world so we get more traffic to our site and we'll worry about the details later.

This all summed up quite nicely by TV3's tagline - "it's all about the the story".

The clear implication here is that points such as facts, balance and accuracy are trivia.  I still watch the mainstream news on TV if I'm home in time - if I'm not it doesn't bother me.  If a story interests me I go to the internet to see what other sources have to say as I know what's just been on the TV will be hyped and sensationalised and generally lacking in the attributes I'm after; i.e. accuracy and balance.

Here in Wellington we've recently had a journalist arrive from overseas to work for the Dominion Post - and from the work I've read from this particular person, I think we Wellingtonians may be about to see a slide into British tabloid style reporting.

At the end of the day, I agree with the sentiments of bigal_nz.  Having been in positions where I've seen what's actually occurred and then seeing it reported on TV and/or the papers, I know all about the huge disparities that often exist between reporting and reality.  Sometimes it's laughable, sometimes it's downright annoying.

Balchy: A headline should be as succinct as possible, while garnering attention

I agree with this too, but think the sensationalism applied goes too far, more often than not.

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bigal_nz:
Its a bit like a statement the family made about him coming out of the house and being armed with cutlery - the reality is that it was a meat cleaver - calling a meat cleaver cutlery, while not a outright lie, is not really accurate, and extremely minimalistic language.


/offtopic

I read this and immediately thought of a Monty Python-esque skit where a guy trys to hold up a bank with a bread knife , fork and soup spoon.

"OMG He's got a butter knife Noooooooooooooooooooooo"




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I can't stand the wingless vultures media. I was a volunteer at the 1990 Commonwealth Games. I remember the media blowing smoke out of a certain orifice about a "budget blowout", commenting about the fact that for thing like press conferences, etc there was free food and booze.  What the leeches did not mention was thjat it was mostly them hooverrign up the free fod, the two faced a^&%#$s%.

And half the time they get stuff wrong. Investigavtive journalism is on life support. It is just attention grabbing look at us garbage now.

I rate them just above politicians and lawyers. But only just.




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I rate them just above politicians and lawyers. But only just.


I rate journalists below politicians and lawyers.

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