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  # 245591 12-Aug-2009 14:00
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Asmodeus: Since everyone travels at 55-60 regardless

They don't. So that renders whatever the rest of your statement was to be irrelevant.







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  # 245593 12-Aug-2009 14:05
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Adamal: Most people do those kinds of speeds everywhere.

Thats a big call. In my 20 years driving I have clocked up over a million kms, and in my experience most people obey the speed limit in most places.

Theres always been an unwritten leaniancy, and cops don't pull you over as long as you're under 60

Wrong. In years gone by I have seen tickets from cop+radar for less than 60 in a 50 zone, including one for 55 on a main road, no schools or other places of note anywhere close.







 
 
 
 


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  # 245595 12-Aug-2009 14:07
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kdn: Anywho.. anyone wise enough on the law who knows whether I may be able to get out of it because of this fact?

Because of which fact?:



  • The fact you were speeding?

  • The fact that you seem to be claiming you are unable to control your motor vehicle in a safe and legal manner?

  • The fact you got caught?


Or am I missing something?







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  # 245598 12-Aug-2009 14:09
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tonyhughes:
Asmodeus: Since everyone travels at 55-60 regardless

They don't. So that renders whatever the rest of your statement was to be irrelevant.


Which New Zealand do you live in? T'would appear to be a different one to the one I drive 60kms to work and back in every day.

Fine, let me revise "everyone" to ">= 80% of everyone".

The only time I see people consistently driving at 50 is in heavy traffic or while being tailgated by 8 cars

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  # 245621 12-Aug-2009 14:48
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Asmodeus:
tonyhughes:
Asmodeus: Since everyone travels at 55-60 regardless

They don't. So that renders whatever the rest of your statement was to be irrelevant.


Which New Zealand do you live in? T'would appear to be a different one to the one I drive 60kms to work and back in every day.

Fine, let me revise "everyone" to ">= 80% of everyone".

The only time I see people consistently driving at 50 is in heavy traffic or while being tailgated by 8 cars


+1 for sure! 

drive around Auckland doing 50km/h in a 50 zone or 100km/h on the motorway and you WILL cause problems...

The rules may have changed in the last few years but I was told by a police person that they can ticket anything 8km over the limit (thou they generally dont ticket under 11km/h because of the paperwork involved)
And also that if you get your speedo tested and its out by more that +/- 8km/h then your car shouldnt pass a WOF!

Oh and also that they cant operate speed cameras at the very top or bottom of hills - your car has to be on the flat road or else the speed camera results may not be accurate...  (so if you can prove you were going up or down a hill when a speed camera got you this IS a defence to get off the ticket if you take it to court - you might need a good lawyer thou...)

All of this was not really law - more like just internal police rules and maybe its all wrong now???



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  # 245632 12-Aug-2009 15:03
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Asmodeus:
tonyhughes:
Asmodeus: Since everyone travels at 55-60 regardless

They don't. So that renders whatever the rest of your statement was to be irrelevant.


Which New Zealand do you live in? T'would appear to be a different one to the one I drive 60kms to work and back in every day.

Fine, let me revise "everyone" to ">= 80% of everyone".

The only time I see people consistently driving at 50 is in heavy traffic or while being tailgated by 8 cars

Regular trips around the North Island to the tune of many thousands of kilometres a month on average yield far different results to your experience.

A revision from 'everyone' to 'greater than or equal to 80% of everyone' = a difference of 49,444.2 (or greater) vehicles, and their drivers? Thats a big revision, but I still disagree with either figure.

By far the bulk of people I come across are doing the limit or less, and this includes major cities, motorways, rural roads, highways, suburban areas etc etc.

If speeding of 10% to 20% over the limit was as widespread as 'everyone' doing it all the time 'regardless' (or even '>= 80% of everyone", you can bet your booty that the dollar would rule, and a large revenue gathering exercise thinly veiled as a speed campaign would launch, that would dwarf the current deployment of radar, camera and other speed detection/enforcement measures.

There is simply no way that the figures are that high for everyones driving habits all the time.







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  # 245635 12-Aug-2009 15:13
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Bee: drive around Auckland doing 50km/h in a 50 zone or 100km/h on the motorway and you WILL cause problems...

Incorrect.

Last time I drove in Auckland, the lane I was in was doing 100kmh for the entire trip that I was on, with relatively few cars in the far right lane speeding.

I did not cause ANY problems, and neither did the rest of the vehicles doing the speed limit.

The rules may have changed in the last few years but I was told by a police person

On duty sworn staff?
The tea lady?

that they can ticket anything 8km over the limit

For a long time (and possibly longer than 'a long time') they have been able to ticket for far less than 8kmh over the limit).

And also that if you get your speedo tested and its out by more that +/- 8km/h then your car shouldnt pass a WOF!

Do WoF testing agents test speedo accuracy?

As far as I am aware, they test the basic operation - i.e. does the indicated speed rise as the car accelerates, but calibration of the instrument is not tested.

All of this was not really law

No such thing as 'not really law' or 'really law' you basically just have "law" and "not law"

- more like just internal police rules and maybe its all wrong now???

Police do not make laws. Police rules do not override law.







 
 
 
 


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  # 245677 12-Aug-2009 16:12
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Asmodeus: why not make the limit 60 (if only in the interest of logic) with zero tolerance for breaching. If someone is doing 60 or near enough you shouldnt need to overtake them so in theory you should never exceed 60 anyway.

The net effect is similar to the leniency thing but it just means that there doesnt need to be any subjective ticketing and the majority would actually be driving around under the limit instead of over it

Slower limits around schools, etc should still apply. My brother got done for going 44 in a 40 zone past a school. Then again he deserved it as there was an electronic flashing speed sign and visible police presence...

What's wrong with making the speed limit 50 and zero tolerance?

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  # 245704 12-Aug-2009 16:58
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Asmodeus:
All the more reason to stay UNDER the limit instead of over it. Face it, if you drive at 50, you get tailgated, honked at, abused, etc.

why not make the limit 60
(if only in the interest of logic) with zero tolerance for breaching. If someone is doing 60 or near enough you shouldnt need to overtake them so in theory you should never exceed 60 anyway.

The net effect is similar to the leniency thing but it just means that there doesnt need to be any subjective ticketing and the majority would actually be driving around under the limit instead of over it

Slower limits around schools, etc should still apply. My brother got done for going 44 in a 40 zone past a school. Then again he deserved it as there was an electronic flashing speed sign and visible police presence...



The idea of the leniency is in case your speedo is wrong or the speed detector is slightly off, e.g. if your speedo reads 50 when you're actually doing 53.

The leniency is not supposed to be a de-facto increase to the speed limit.


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  # 245716 12-Aug-2009 17:29
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Bee:
The rules may have changed in the last few years but I was told by a police person that they can ticket anything 8km over the limit (thou they generally dont ticket under 11km/h because of the paperwork involved)



Err. Wrong. I got ticketed for doing 107 in a 100 zone last year.

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  # 245831 12-Aug-2009 21:39
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Does anyone know how speed limits are set ?   and why the magic numbers of 50, 60, 80, 100.
And why in other countries they might have a higher speed for the same type of road.
In my mind we should be constantly adjusting our speeds depending on the risks that we are presented
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  # 245842 12-Aug-2009 21:58
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tonyhughes:
Bee: drive around Auckland doing 50km/h in a 50 zone or 100km/h on the motorway and you WILL cause problems...

Incorrect.

Last time I drove in Auckland, the lane I was in was doing 100kmh for the entire trip that I was on, with relatively few cars in the far right lane speeding.

I did not cause ANY problems, and neither did the rest of the vehicles doing the speed limit.



In my experience, Traveling 100km/h while keeping to the left has very rarely caused any issue on Auckland Motorways. When it comes to a 50km/h limit cul de sac in Auckland however, Travel at 50km/h in light traffic and soon enough, some turkey will tailgate you if not shout out abuse and obscenities... be prepared to pull over frequently.

Asmodeus: Face it, if you drive at 50, you get tailgated, honked at, abused, etc.



Report them. I do. Any driver that sits 1m off my bumper for a distance of 300m or more while I am already 7-9km/h over the speed limit gets their car rego fired through Community Roadwatch. Offenders typically come out from a side street, hoof it and then sit 1m off my tail. Frankly, I'm not prepared to cop fines nor put up with it especially given that I have no choice but to drive to and from work thanks to what I personally consider decades of extreme automobile centered transport planning in the Auckland Region. (The public transport to my workplace is just about non-existent and cycling is perilous)

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  # 245853 12-Aug-2009 22:17
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Tony, are in in Auckland? Its rare here to see people sticking to 50, and its also rare for a police officer to pull you over. I've been in a flow of traffic going around 55-60kph many many times and cops go by and don't think twice about it.

I'm not having a go, but guessing that things may be different if you're like in Welly or something.
Its like when I was living in Cromwell and rode my bike without a helmet. The police would pull you over without fail.
In Auckland, I was riding on the foot path, and rode right infront of a cop that was stopped in a driveway waiting to pull out and they didn't look twice at me. That wasn't the only cop though that just passed me by.

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  # 245884 13-Aug-2009 04:56
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tonyhughes: If you speed, you deserve to get a ticket.

If you are incapable of keeping your car at a certain speed (i.e. down a hill), then perhaps you should think about giving up driving, and taking up a career in drooling on the floor whilst you stare at the wall waiting for your next round of medication.

Leniency/margins are not for you to be able to speed, or fail to control your car, it is for the police to make a judgement call about what THEY (not YOU) percieve to be dangerous/unacceptable.

My late model Maxima, when doing 100kmh (verified by Police radar, and two GPS units agreed with the radar speed) shows 112kmh on the speedo. (I.e. if my car says 100kmh, i am WELL under the limit). Other vehicles of mine are more or less accurate (within 1-2kms between speedo and GPS). (And yes, my Maxima has factory standard wheels, and the correct size tyres, and has no modfications to any gear or diff ratio).

This year, I have had to make approximately ten full emergency stops due to vehicles, people, bikes, mobility scooters etc pulling out in front of me without looking. 1 involved my vehicle coming to rest against a person, 1 against a car, and 1 against a mobility scooter (all in Hastings city, where I tend to drive the LEAST). None were my fault (without exception they either failed to give way, or simply crossed the road directly into traffic without even looking), and I am positive that if I was speeding in any of those cases, someone would have been seriously hurt or killed. (Most of these problems have occurred in a two-roundabout part of Hastings (Townshend + Heretaunga Streets)), where I get to work by travelling on either side street, and main road travellers (cars and otherwise) drive/ride/scoot/walk straight through ignoring road rules and not even looking at all).

Speed at your own peril, as one day someone WILL cross your path at their own fault, but that will not stop you going to prison, and ruining theirs and their familys life when they die or are left injured, paralysed, brain damaged, whatever...


Ten full emergency stops.....my goodness me....you always seem to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Do people in hastings just wonder onto the road all the time....or is it the  design of the roads etc need
looking at.
And as others have said, most people in auckland would travel at about 55-60km in a 50km.
And finally Tony you seem very passionate about this topic with the number of replies.
Did you have a family member killed or injured by a speeding driver.?




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  # 245892 13-Aug-2009 07:32
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if you choose to speed beyond the set limit you pay the cost if apprehended. If you dont know your speed should you be driving?




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