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  # 247757 17-Aug-2009 16:07
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dickytim:
Satch: I've found that drivers on Auckland motorways tend to go noticably slower than they do on Wellington motorways for some reason (I grew up in Wellington and have been living in Auckland the past 5 or so years).

I could sit in the right hand lane on Wellington's motorway going a few clicks over 100 and have to pull over frequently to let faster drivers through. But in Auckland I tend to sit behind drivers going 90-100 in the right hand lane. Oh and all of this is experiences outside of rush hour traffic.


Never been to Wellington but I agree with Auckland motorway users, they sit on 80-90 and wont move over to the left, saw this this morning, I was doing 80-90 in the left lane and about 10 mtrs ahead there was a truck doing the same sitting in the right lane, it is just ignorance and in my opinion worse driving than speeding. I try to keep left when I can and if I can't I'll pull off to let people pass when it is safe to do so.



There's no such thing as "the fast lane" other than in people's heads. With the level of traffic on our motorways, especially in Auckland, there's no room for a fast lane anyway - you have to fill what space you can!


From what I believe it's common practice for slower vehicles such as trucks to use the far lanes as then they don't get in the way of traffic entering and exiting the motorway.

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  # 247759 17-Aug-2009 16:11
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Balchy:
Paulthagerous:
Adamal:
Balchy: On Top Gear a while back, they had an programmable LED message board - oh the fun you could have with that


Oh how I have DREAMED of having something like that.....


Like one of these?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=223348533


Epic.....now to convince my wife that I need it!


My bad, that one had closed.  This one is current and has a picture of the device in action!
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Business-farming-industry/Retail-hospitality/Signage/LED/auction-236367180.htm

 
 
 
 


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Ultimate Geek


  # 247760 17-Aug-2009 16:12
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We have stupid motorways here in Auckland. How many other motorway merging offramps have you entering into the right lane on another motorway???


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  # 247764 17-Aug-2009 16:18
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Adamal: We have stupid motorways here in Auckland. How many other motorway merging offramps have you entering into the right lane on another motorway???



Atleast you have motorways up there, getting in and out of Christchurch is a nightmare. There's the Southern "motorway" is one lane each way but most people miss the 100km/h sign as it starts so they continue doing 70km/h for the entire road (a whole 2km), and the Christchurch Northern Motorway doesn't start until you've left Christchurch.

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Master Geek


  # 247766 17-Aug-2009 16:19
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Adamal: We have stupid motorways here in Auckland. How many other motorway merging offramps have you entering into the right lane on another motorway???




Yeah THAT is not terribly fun...


Haven't they removed these all now with the exception of the Northwestern (eastbound) to Southern (southbound) link though? That one has its own dedicated lane anyway so not too much of a problem.


I drove for a week in Seattle last year, and I'm pretty sure they had a lot of similar offramps (but obviously on the left side of the freeway). That's a totally different ball game from driving in New Zealand, though!

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  # 247885 17-Aug-2009 20:13
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scooby101:
dickytim:
Satch: I've found that drivers on Auckland motorways tend to go noticably slower than they do on Wellington motorways for some reason (I grew up in Wellington and have been living in Auckland the past 5 or so years).

I could sit in the right hand lane on Wellington's motorway going a few clicks over 100 and have to pull over frequently to let faster drivers through. But in Auckland I tend to sit behind drivers going 90-100 in the right hand lane. Oh and all of this is experiences outside of rush hour traffic.


Never been to Wellington but I agree with Auckland motorway users, they sit on 80-90 and wont move over to the left, saw this this morning, I was doing 80-90 in the left lane and about 10 mtrs ahead there was a truck doing the same sitting in the right lane, it is just ignorance and in my opinion worse driving than speeding. I try to keep left when I can and if I can't I'll pull off to let people pass when it is safe to do so.



There's no such thing as "the fast lane" other than in people's heads. With the level of traffic on our motorways, especially in Auckland, there's no room for a fast lane anyway - you have to fill what space you can!


From what I believe it's common practice for slower vehicles such as trucks to use the far lanes as then they don't get in the way of traffic entering and exiting the motorway.


What ever you call it, and I have heard police refer to it as the "fast lane" it is illegal to not keep left unless overtaking, if you are going slower that the speed limit keep left, it is simple. if there is a space in the left lane move into it. I saw a complete toss pot tonight on the way home for no good reason move into the right lane where the motorway is 3 lanes wide and sit on 80km/h. That is highly illegal and just blatantly moronic and I know he was doing 80 as that is the speed I had chosen to do, in the left lane.

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Ultimate Geek


  # 248011 18-Aug-2009 08:52
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dickytim:
What ever you call it, and I have heard police refer to it as the "fast lane" it is illegal to not keep left unless overtaking, if you are going slower that the speed limit keep left, it is simple. if there is a space in the left lane move into it.


100% correct, and I wish more people knew this (or cared). Right lane is for passing. Make a pass, move to the left.

 
 
 
 


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  # 248015 18-Aug-2009 09:04
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patatrat:
dickytim:
What ever you call it, and I have heard police refer to it as the "fast lane" it is illegal to not keep left unless overtaking, if you are going slower that the speed limit keep left, it is simple. if there is a space in the left lane move into it.


100% correct, and I wish more people knew this (or cared). Right lane is for passing. Make a pass, move to the left.


Not quite correct.  Doing the speed limit has nothing to do with it.  If you're not overtaking, you have to move left.  So sitting in the right-hand lane at 100 is also illegal, but overtaking someone doing 80 when you're doing 90 is fine.



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Master Geek


  # 248016 18-Aug-2009 09:10
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JonC:
patatrat:
dickytim:
What ever you call it, and I have heard police refer to it as the "fast lane" it is illegal to not keep left unless overtaking, if you are going slower that the speed limit keep left, it is simple. if there is a space in the left lane move into it.


100% correct, and I wish more people knew this (or cared). Right lane is for passing. Make a pass, move to the left.


Not quite correct.  Doing the speed limit has nothing to do with it.  If you're not overtaking, you have to move left.  So sitting in the right-hand lane at 100 is also illegal, but overtaking someone doing 80 when you're doing 90 is fine.




I'm not expert, but I thought that the "passing lane" was for passing, often marked with signs such as "keep left" whereas the motorway was just for driving in any lane unless specifically signposted. Any ideas?

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  # 248021 18-Aug-2009 09:24
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jayaldous:
JonC:
patatrat:
dickytim:
What ever you call it, and I have heard police refer to it as the "fast lane" it is illegal to not keep left unless overtaking, if you are going slower that the speed limit keep left, it is simple. if there is a space in the left lane move into it.


100% correct, and I wish more people knew this (or cared). Right lane is for passing. Make a pass, move to the left.


Not quite correct.  Doing the speed limit has nothing to do with it.  If you're not overtaking, you have to move left.  So sitting in the right-hand lane at 100 is also illegal, but overtaking someone doing 80 when you're doing 90 is fine.




I'm not expert, but I thought that the "passing lane" was for passing, often marked with signs such as "keep left" whereas the motorway was just for driving in any lane unless specifically signposted. Any ideas?



See this is the problem in NZ - people simply don't know the law.  Here you go:

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driving/motorway-driving.html


Safe driving on motorways
When driving on a motorway:


  • keep left, unless you are passing

  • watch for exit signs

  • get into the correct exit lane in plenty of time

  • signal for at least three seconds before you change lanes

  • you must not stop your vehicle, except in an emergency

  • you must not make a U-turn

  • you must not stop to let down or pick up passengers

  • if you miss your exit, don't stop and reverse – instead, drive on to the next exit.


We really do need to have stricter laws on who can get a license.



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  # 248030 18-Aug-2009 09:52
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JonC:
patatrat:
dickytim:
What ever you call it, and I have heard police refer to it as the "fast lane" it is illegal to not keep left unless overtaking, if you are going slower that the speed limit keep left, it is simple. if there is a space in the left lane move into it.


100% correct, and I wish more people knew this (or cared). Right lane is for passing. Make a pass, move to the left.


Not quite correct.  Doing the speed limit has nothing to do with it.  If you're not overtaking, you have to move left.  So sitting in the right-hand lane at 100 is also illegal, but overtaking someone doing 80 when you're doing 90 is fine.




You are indeed very correct, I didn't mean to give the impression that it was speed dependant as it is definately not.

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Ultimate Geek


  # 248034 18-Aug-2009 09:58
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Note to self: never say 100% when you didn't fully read the response. I completely missed the point he made about the speed traveling in relation to being left. That (as was pointed out) is incorrect. The rules are, (again, as pointed out) to keep left unless passing.

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  # 248035 18-Aug-2009 10:04
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What we NEED is more driver training. Make it compulsary like in some other countries.

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  # 248041 18-Aug-2009 10:22
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JonC:

See this is the problem in NZ - people simply don't know the law.  Here you go:

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driving/motorway-driving.html



The Road Code is the simplified comic book version not the law.

The Land Transport (Road User) Rule is more detailed

"
 Keeping left



  • (1) A driver, when driving, must at all times drive as near as practicable to the left side of the roadway unless this rule otherwise provides.

    (2) If a driver's speed, when driving, is such as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic, that driver must, as soon as is reasonably practicable, move the vehicle as far as practicable to the left side of the roadway when this is necessary to allow following traffic to pass.

    (3) A driver may drive in the right lane in the direction of travel when driving on a multi-lane road if—





    • (a) the driver is turning right, or making a U-turn from the centre of the road, and is giving the prescribed signal of that driver's intention to turn right; or





    • (b) the driver is passing; or





    • (c) the left lane is unavailable to the driver; or





    • (d) the driver is required by any provision of this rule to drive in the right lane; or





    • (e) a variable lane control downward-facing arrow sign indicates that the driver must drive in the right lane; or





    • (f) the driver is avoiding an obstruction; or





    • (g) the traffic in all other lanes is congested; or





    • (h) the traffic in every lane is congested."













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Master Geek


  # 248056 18-Aug-2009 10:52
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Thanks Bung, that clarifies this really well. Behaviours really didn't match expectations based on the simplified one.

@Jon_C
I _do_ keep left, and I don't drive in the right lane simply for the fun of it. I was aware of that statement, but I guess over time that thought had been diminished by observing otherwise every day.

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