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  Reply # 304125 3-Mar-2010 20:01
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grant_k: When turning left, you normally don't have to give way to anyone.  Except in the situation when this specific rule applies.

Further, our road code has long had the "Right-Hand Rule" which means that everybody turning right, gives way to all other traffic.  Except in the case where this specific rule applies.


But that's the whole point! If people turning left had to give way to noone, then that creates an unfair level of priority in their favour. On the flip side, if right hand turners have to give way to everyone then you will have huge queues of vehicles waiting to turn right at the many moderately busy intersections where there is no dedicated green light for right turns.

Good traffic management requires that everyone has a fair chance to cross through an intersection, so shifting the balance of priority from left turning vehicles to right turning vehicles makes sense.

I can understand that the current rule can be difficult for tourists or inexperienced drivers but personally I haven't ever found it difficult except when I was inexperienced myself. If I am turning left and I am unsure if a vehicle coming up behind me is going to wait or go around me then I just slowly creep forward into the turn and I can stop in an instant if a right turning vehicle begins to move. If I'm turning right then I have a very clear view to judge what cars coming up behind left turning vehicles are going to do. 

I'll admit to having my fair share of near misses, but none of them were the result of the current right turning rule.

 

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  Reply # 304128 3-Mar-2010 20:05
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Never come up behind someone turning left, gone to pass them and had someone turning right pull infront of you?

Ever been coming up to an intersection to turn left, with a car behind you that isnt turning so you can go only to have the right turner gun it towards you since they think they can get around (their fault if accident)

Nearly taken a cyclist out because they were on the inside of you and you were too busy looking at the car turning right and the mirror for what is behind you?




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  Reply # 304129 3-Mar-2010 20:06
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pjnet: Also this rule change will not affect traffic lights and controlled intersections (signs, road markings etc..).


What? If you're at traffic lights and there is no dedicated red/green right turn arrow, or if none of the arrows are illuminated, then the current rule most definitely does still apply. 



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  Reply # 304130 3-Mar-2010 20:07
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sbiddle:
yuxek: Right hand give way rule to go:

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/right-hand-rule-go-3390803

bad idea. too many people will be confused. there will be lots more accidents while people get used to it.

about the 15 year olds being denied licences, ah i agree with the points made here:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10150113679035082


The changeover in Victoria was a very straight forward process and despite the claims it would potentially increase accident rates in the short term it actually resulted in an immediate reduction in accidents at intersections.



that was in 1977 right? they probably only had a few tv channels and most people probably watched the news. now we have lots more tv channels, most young people don't watch the news, people watch tv on the net.

how is the government going to get the word out to everyone who drives?

i was watching the news last year and some kids didn't even know who John Key was.

how many accidents are there per year with this give way rule? it's probably less than 100. if you change the rule and have say at least 10,000 drivers not knowing about the new rule you would probably get 10,000 accidents. over time people may get to know the rule but 10,000 accidents is alot.

if you don't know the give way rules as they are currently you shouldn't be driving at all. people who crash because of the right hand rule either can't drive or don't know the rule.

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  Reply # 304135 3-Mar-2010 20:13
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Chances are the ignorant knuckledraggers that are that out of touch will be the many losers that dont know how it works at the moment anyway so probably nothing would help with them.




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  Reply # 304138 3-Mar-2010 20:15
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richms: Never come up behind someone turning left, gone to pass them and had someone turning right pull infront of you?


This is the only one of your three points which I think has some merit, but I can honestly say that I've never had to take evasive action in this situation because if there is a shadow of doubt as to whether I can get around the left turning vehicle then I would slow right down. The right turning vehicle would have plenty of time to observe me preparing to make the passing manoeuvre and a modern vehicle can stop very, very quickly when travelling very slowly. 

Adjusting your speed according to the level of risk is just simple defensive driving that a lot of people don't seem to understand.



Ever been coming up to an intersection to turn left, with a car behind you that isnt turning so you can go only to have the right turner gun it towards you since they think they can get around (their fault if accident)


Again, if I creep around the left turn slowly then I can stop very quickly and it takes a couple of seconds for the right turning vehicle to cross right over the opposing lane so there is warning even if they take off quickly.



Nearly taken a cyclist out because they were on the inside of you and you were too busy looking at the car turning right and the mirror for what is behind you?


I am always aware of cyclists on approach to any left turn and I am conscious of them throughout the manoeuvre. This is something I take a great deal of care of, having been a cyclist for a while myself.

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  Reply # 304167 3-Mar-2010 20:45
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driving age to 18. no alcohol until 25, and even then, much lower, in line with australia. anyone caught breaking these 2 rules should have their car seized for 12 months.

give way rules should be in line with whatever most other countries do, for tourists sake.

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  Reply # 304169 3-Mar-2010 20:46
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but be warned that there will be lots of crashes for a couple of years from when the rules are changed!

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  Reply # 304171 3-Mar-2010 20:48
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I dont agree with anyone but a court taking property, and then it shouldonly be as at the moment for damages and fines.

I think there should be a graduated response to alcohol levels, not this crazy crap where you do an 81 and you are screwed at the moment. Moreso if they lower the limits since a 50 is nothing on most people.




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  Reply # 304172 3-Mar-2010 20:50
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I am on a restricted license (full booked in April), and I would support removing that rule.

Yes, there is a lot of 'inertia' to overcome in that that is how New Zealanders have been taught to drive, but I think we can manage it. It does make more sense and it is easier.

It's neither here nor there for me with regards to the driving age. I think the more pressing issue is attitudes - and that's something that things like the Defensive Driving Courses are designed to tackle. And alcohol is another big one, too. Zero limits I do support.

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  Reply # 304184 3-Mar-2010 21:11
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zkcow: And alcohol is another big one, too. Zero limits I do support.


A very mild amount of alcohol in your system is inconsequential as far as safety is concerned. It's really good that drink driving is far less socially acceptable than it was back in the 70s, but I get annoyed when people criticise me for driving after I've had a single glass of wine over dinner, or a handful of non-alcoholic bottled soft drinks that look as if they might be RTDs.

Personally I wouldn't drive on more than 50mg but I don't think lowering the legal limit from 80mg to 50mg would make any material difference as most drink drivers who cause accidents are well over the existing limit. 

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  Reply # 304198 3-Mar-2010 21:47
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zkcow: And alcohol is another big one, too. Zero limits I do support.


A very mild amount of alcohol in your system is inconsequential as far as safety is concerned. It's really good that drink driving is far less socially acceptable than it was back in the 70s, but I get annoyed when people criticise me for driving after I've had a single glass of wine over dinner, or a handful of non-alcoholic bottled soft drinks that look as if they might be RTDs.

Personally I wouldn't drive on more than 50mg but I don't think lowering the legal limit from 80mg to 50mg would make any material difference as most drink drivers who cause accidents are well over the existing limit. 


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  Reply # 304199 3-Mar-2010 21:53
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I should clarify that zero limit was aimed at teenage drivers like myself, rather than all drivers. To be honest, I completely agree that low levels of alcohol are largely inconsequential for most. But for someone who's only new to driving, new to alcohol and not fully developed, that little amount makes a much larger difference.

Obviously it may be prudent to not drive even after one drink (depending on you as a person), but I see no reason why that should be law for all drivers.

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  Reply # 304201 3-Mar-2010 21:57
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I always thought the right-hand rule sort of makes sense from a safety point of view. The person waiting in the middle of the road has traffic flying past on both sides and both directions. The faster you're out of that situation the better. The person turning left on the other hand is in a lot safer spot to wait.

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  Reply # 304210 3-Mar-2010 22:10
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Depends though, I guess. On a lot of roads, there's a dedicated lane for turning right, whereas left turners are either on the road or on the shoulder. Sometimes there's a lane for left turners.

I know that sometimes right hand turners are in the same situation, but I find more often that people making a right turn have a lane to go into and wait.

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