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  Reply # 304222 3-Mar-2010 22:23
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alasta: Personally I wouldn't drive on more than 50mg but I don't think lowering the legal limit from 80mg to 50mg would make any material difference as most drink drivers who cause accidents are well over the existing limit. 


I often leave Wgtn on a Friday amongst the "had a few after work" crowd, you need to be very sober.

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  Reply # 304223 3-Mar-2010 22:26
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Wounder if people will start turning into their own lane instead of the left hand lane on multi lane roads now...

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  Reply # 304232 3-Mar-2010 23:09
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lxsw20: Wounder if people will start turning into their own lane instead of the left hand lane on multi lane roads now...

This is possibly one of the most annoying habits of drivers. It is the law that you must turn into the lane closest to you. If you're turning right, that will be the right hand lane. If you're turning left, that will be the left hand lane.

Too many people turn wherever and whenever they want - and combined with this give way to the right rule, it really messes things up. In theory, someone turning left and someone turning right in to the same two laned street should both be able to go at once. Left turn to left lane, right turn to right lane. In practice, neither will turn into the correct lane, so one will end up giving way or they'll end up crashing.

Because, you know, I'm a perfect driver all the time... 

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  Reply # 304235 3-Mar-2010 23:15
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I hit some stuck up cow in a BMW doing that, she went off her nut at me blah blah, gave her my details and left. Never heard from her because I guess her insurance told her to shut up. Didnt bother claiming mine since it was just BMW door paint on my bumper and nothing else.

OT: and I hit new topic out of habit again. Cant change sites like that.




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  Reply # 304249 4-Mar-2010 01:28
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yuxek: Right hand give way?rule to go:

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/right-hand-rule-go-3390803

bad idea. too many people will be confused. there will be lots more accidents while people get used to it.

about the 15 year olds being denied licences, ah i agree with the points made?here:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10150113679035082


Also, it would not only cause such confusion but according to one New Zealand blogger and podcaster, the AA's arguments to support the rule change are not good enough, see right of reply on right of way, the relevant podcast eposides are Driving social flip-flops and Driving me crazy. He says driver education is the fundemental issue with drivers in New Zealand, claiming that as a country, New Zealanders are horrible drivers, no exceptions.

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  Reply # 304262 4-Mar-2010 08:21
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I'm all in favor of changing the right hand rule. OK, there might be some tears early on, but no more than usual. Lets face it, the majority of people don't know who they have to give way to. And I'm not talking about the fine intelligent folk here - I'm talking about the other 99% of idiots! Tongue out

I used to live on a street where both ends were an un-controlled T intersection. The amount of times I'd be waiting for the other person to turn because legally I had to give way to them was huge. I would say 90% of the people I encounted on that intersection did not know the road rules - bearing in mind that 72% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

The other scenario I find frustrating is once again on an intersection and a person turning left hasn't looked in there rear vision mirror to see that there are cars coming from behind them so you can't turn, but they sit there like idiots waiting... or if you are one of the cars coming from behind them!

That really grinds my gears!

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  Reply # 304265 4-Mar-2010 08:30
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richms: Its also used when you are traveling towards a car with the same sign you have.


Thats another problem I have is that you cant tell what other signs are at intersections easily. At least the US with their 4 way stops have a 4 way sign on the post so you know.


Don't start me on 4 way stop signs in the US.  A litigators paradise..




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  Reply # 304270 4-Mar-2010 08:46
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minimum driving age should increase to 18 and the right hand rule should change making it easier to understand and apply




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Reply # 304310 4-Mar-2010 10:41
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richms: OT: and I hit new topic out of habit again. Cant change sites like that.


Even some monkeys learn after some electrical shocks...





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  Reply # 304333 4-Mar-2010 11:29
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Jarno: I always thought the right-hand rule sort of makes sense from a safety point of view. The person waiting in the middle of the road has traffic flying past on both sides and both directions. The faster you're out of that situation the better. The person turning left on the other hand is in a lot safer spot to wait.


The person turning left might be safe, but it forces all other traffic closer to the centre line.
If the person turning right gives way, other traffic can pass him safely on left. And the left turning car
can turn quicker, because he doesn't have to cross a line of traffic. The new way should make things flow better. It didn't take me very long at all, to get use to the rule over here in the UK.




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  Reply # 304339 4-Mar-2010 11:41
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The sooner this rule goes the better.

Someone asked earlier "why should left turning traffic have the priority?".

Because they don't cross the paths of other motorists (although they do cross the path of pedestrians and must give way first).

Vehicles going straight also don't cross the path of other motorists (on a standard green light intersection).

Vehicles turning right cross the paths of TWO potential other lanes of cars (those going straight and those turning left). As this is the most dangerous manouevre at an intersection it only makes sense for the right hand turning driver to give way to all other traffic (for safety reasons).

There are other ways to control traffic under the proposed change - right hand turning traffic doesn't have to block up the roads. In Auckland you already have a "right hand free turn" sequence at many traffic light intersections.



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  Reply # 305073 6-Mar-2010 20:15
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if the rule is changed and people don't know you know what the crash will look like? the car will crash into the drivers side door of the other car.

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  Reply # 305465 8-Mar-2010 16:52
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The rule has to go ASAP - its a right pain having to remember to swap over everytime I come back to the country - more confusing than swapping from  driving on the wrong side of the road IMHO

The driving age thing really should be about experience - if no one under the age of say 20 was allowed a car licence until they had driven a motobike or scooter for 2 years - the problem would be solved - kids would still have mobility, they wouldn't be able to kill anyone  but themselves - and they would become much better more aware car drivers

The alchol thing annoys the crap out of me - in Austrlalis its not just 0.5mg but  get caught and you lose your licence for 3 years - just for being over - not for dangerous driving or causing an accident or anything - its a huge money making exercise and nothing else.

The reality is that I am an experienced drinker and driver - but now you get funny looks if you have a few wines and then drive home - yet the person driving stone cold sober but worried about their family or work and therefore distracted is probably far more bloody dangerous than me




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  Reply # 305471 8-Mar-2010 17:20
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lissie: The rule has to go ASAP - its a right pain having to remember to swap over everytime I come back to the country - more confusing than swapping from  driving on the wrong side of the road IMHO

The driving age thing really should be about experience - if no one under the age of say 20 was allowed a car licence until they had driven a motobike or scooter for 2 years - the problem would be solved - kids would still have mobility, they wouldn't be able to kill anyone  but themselves - and they would become much better more aware car drivers

The alchol thing annoys the crap out of me - in Austrlalis its not just 0.5mg but  get caught and you lose your licence for 3 years - just for being over - not for dangerous driving or causing an accident or anything - its a huge money making exercise and nothing else.

The reality is that I am an experienced drinker and driver - but now you get funny looks if you have a few wines and then drive home - yet the person driving stone cold sober but worried about their family or work and therefore distracted is probably far more bloody dangerous than me


Wow Lissie, just wow. Where to start with that one? And we all wonder why we have problems on the road in NZ. 

"Its okay if I drive over the speed limit, as I can handle it and have a modern car - these kids these days with no experience who speed, they are killing people"

"Its okay to drink and drive for me, as there is no one else on the road"

"I don't have to indicate if there is no one around"

"Running red lights is fine if there isn't much traffic around"

All of these excuses are just as bad as your 'The reality is that I am an experienced drinker and driver' excuse. But the fact is, there are laws. Breaking those laws makes you a criminal and a bad driver. No amount of experience makes up for that. 

So, if you drive over the limit, you are no better than the drivers who habitually drive drunk and kill someone. Period. No excuses. 

In NZ, the issue is always someone else. "Not me. I'm a great driver, but its all those [insert favourite punching bag] that are [inset favourite issue]" 

We all need to look at how we actually drive, how we deal with aggression, speeding and drinking and fix that. Everyone. Even me.

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  Reply # 305473 8-Mar-2010 17:24
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I didn't say I drove over the limit- in fact patarat you are the example that I am talking about - since when was 2 glasses of wine with a meal over the limit - even at 0.5 and certainly not even close at 0.8

For the record I've been driving for nearly 20 years - bikes and cars, have had one accident - over compensated when driving long distance in an unfamilar car and ended up in the ditch (stone cold sober). I've never been booked for anything more than a parking ticket.




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